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JALevinworth

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reply to StuartMW

More OT:

said by StuartMW:

BTW, slightly OT, I was raised to respect women. If a man hit a woman a number of men would take him to a back alley and beat the living shit out of him. When they were done they'd tell him not to do it again or else. I'm sure that breaks at least one law but it gets the job done.

Stew, I couldn't help it but for some reason I read your post with Cartman's voice, lol

It was time for some comedic relief anyway, lol.


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Re: In our State's defense...

said by airwavz:

Bad stuff exists, bad PEOPLE exist - a thousand bad laws will NOT change that. If the majority of our society believe this is wrong, then it's up to those people to stand together and force those doing the wrong to stop

Yeah, nothing like the rugged independent vigilante to dispense fair justice on the spot.
Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'.


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said by Snowy:

Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'.

I already have a list and have checked it twice
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said by Snowy:

... Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'.

For some, just the possibility of the existence that list is a sufficient deterrent.


StuartMW
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said by EGeezer:

For some, just the possibility of the existence that list is a sufficient deterrent.

Well there are few a few young "men" around here will be/have been warned about certain behavior. If they don't take heed they'll regret it.
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airwavz
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Re: In our State's defense...

said by Snowy:

said by airwavz:

Bad stuff exists, bad PEOPLE exist - a thousand bad laws will NOT change that. If the majority of our society believe this is wrong, then it's up to those people to stand together and force those doing the wrong to stop

Yeah, nothing like the rugged independent vigilante to dispense fair justice on the spot.
Let's have a community picnic to discuss who needs fixin'.

Notice please I said "majority of our society", not "rugged independent vigilante" - there is a chasm of a difference there...

And frankly, a lot of crime was prevented in the 'old west' days by the simple fact that doing the 'wrong thing' could get you shot on the spot. I can say that as a child (before I understood laws and morality and had the religious beliefs I have today) the idea that I might be sent to the electric chair (or had the living s**t beat out of me) for doing wrong influenced many a decision to avoid what would have been "bad" behavior.

I don't agree with vigilante justice - heck, I don't even like violence, and when I was faced with a gun-wielding thug I actually diffused the situation by simply talking to the perpetrator and showing a little compassion for his issues - but therein lies my point; what he did was VERY MUCH against an existing law (several actually), but that law didn't stop him from pointing that gun at me! My explaining that even if he shot me it wouldn't change his circumstances, but allowing me to live would give us both a chance to change things for the better DID cause him to rethink his actions. Communication, reasoning, and like-minded individuals coming together to help one another (to stop a bully, feed the hungry, or end a war makes no difference) will always have far more power than a 'law' will. I personally believe the future of our democracy depends upon the power of 'each other' far more than the power of 'the law'.


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said by airwavz:

My explaining that even if he shot me it wouldn't change his circumstances, but allowing me to live would give us both a chance to change things for the better DID cause him to rethink his actions.

Like this?
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said by airwavz:

...but that law didn't stop him from pointing that gun at me!

That had to be an awful experience, I'm glad you're among us today.
Sure, laws don't prevent all crime, I'm not sure why that's even mentioned but the law or more specifically the laws penalty would reasonably have had some role
in your eventual safety, I'd think anyway.
What about the next victim who unfortunately doesn't have the composure to react as you did?
What remedy would the "majority of our society" offer in the absence of law?

said by airwavz:

I personally believe the future of our democracy depends upon the power of 'each other' far more than the power of 'the law'.

That's not as futuristic as you may think it is.
The "majority of our society" could exist with minimal law.
It's a "small minority of society" that creates the need for law.


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StuartMW - got a chuckle out of that video (gotta love Denny Crain; great show, Shatner's best IMHO). Though I do own a firearm, I don't have a carry permit, and this was downtown Nashville. Funny, I was parking to go to my attorney's office, which was located in the Federal courthouse - go figure...

Snowy - "It's a "small minority of society" that creates the need for law."

On this you and I completely agree. May my children's generation find a way to care enough about each other, and communicate with each other, such that we no longer need all these silly laws. And for those that STILL don't get it - a way to sprinkle some meat tenderizer on their thick heads...

Know that although we may disagree, I totally RESPECT your opinion - it's this level of discourse that makes for a great America (and an interesting DSLR!)


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reply to Snowy
said by Snowy:

... Aah, at a glance it looked as if someone with pen in hand red lined a sheet of paper.

The illusory image is indeed an allegory of the proposed law.


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said by armed:

It seems like techno nerds are akin to geese... every morning its a brand new day.

please stop bullying me, your statement annoys and offends me.

b.t.w. I didn't read any of your drivel beyond what I quoted.
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Re: In our State's defense...

said by AVD:

said by armed:

It seems like techno nerds are akin to geese... every morning its a brand new day.

please stop bullying me, your statement annoys and offends me.

b.t.w. I didn't read any of your drivel beyond what I quoted.

BTW

I don't think you could comprehend it and secondly I don't care. Really.


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said by EGeezer:

So, back to the law -

1) If the sender(s) is from Arizona would they be subject to prosecution, or would both parties have to be in the state?

Who said either party had to be in Arizona?
If a TCP segment of annoyance were routed thru Arizona...


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reply to armed
said by armed:

said by AVD:

said by armed:

It seems like techno nerds are akin to geese... every morning its a brand new day.

please stop bullying me, your statement annoys and offends me.

b.t.w. I didn't read any of your drivel beyond what I quoted.

BTW

I don't think you could comprehend it and secondly I don't care. Really.

Case in point, your posts could be viewed as harassment, and under this law, subject to AZ prosecution. This is the danger in laws with very lax interpretation. One person's "deal with it" is another person's abuse.


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said by Thaler:

Case in point, your posts could be viewed as harassment, and under this law, subject to AZ prosecution. This is the danger in laws with very lax interpretation. One person's "deal with it" is another person's abuse.

Yup, that's a case in point.
Dialog between 2 anonymous people.
How far do you think a (AZ) John Doe vs John Doe is going to get?
John Doe is going to prevail but how can we know which John Doe?
OT but, somewhere out there, really out there, there's probably a set of parents named 'Doe' with a perverted sense of humor in naming a son.


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South Park is psychic

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