| Ok , that is just messed up. We are from the government and we are here to help !
Anyone else thinking this has to do with a false sense of security ? I mean really , an international stolen phone can still be used ! Let's track those too ! Or how about just using I don't know, a prepaid phone paid for with cash ?
Are we really to blind to see the crap that is happening in the name of we are here to help ?
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Boston, MA | I'm usually the first to rail against government sticking their nose where it doesn't belong - and they do quite a bit of it regardless the political persuasion of those currently in office - but this doesn't bother me at all. Phones already have unique serial numbers and require connection to a network; I don't see how blacklisting stolen phones is harmful. As for international phones stolen and subsequently activated in the US, I wouldn't think that it's nearly as common of a problem as domestic phones being stolen. Just because we can't get this system to 100% effectiveness doesn't mean we shouldn't get it to 98%. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to BosstonesOwn
My anti-government reputation is well known but i would expect the government to do its part to enforce laws against stealing things, fencing stolen property, etc.
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Really has nothing to do with safety, it's about slowing down phone theft, seems like a valid law to me, make cell phones less attractive to thieves.
Just make it publicly searchable so valid third party used phone sales on ebay and elsewhere can continue, I buy and sell a lot of phones for easier upgrades, and we'll need a way to confirm the IMEI isn't blocked before we sell or purchase the devices now.
This may make the prices go up on used phones as stolen phones leave ebay, but it was never my intention to buy stolen phones just used ones, so that's fine, it would make me feel better to know I wasn't getting stolen property, which really can't be identified now, Verizon does block stolen ESN's i know. |
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said by BosstonesOwn:We are from the government and we are here to help !
Anyone else thinking this has to do with a false sense of security ? I mean really , an international stolen phone can still be used ! Let's track those too ! Or how about just using I don't know, a prepaid phone paid for with cash ?
Are we really to blind to see the crap that is happening in the name of we are here to help ?
The UK has had a blacklist for quite some time - phones are blocked quickly, and the lists are shared across (at least) Europe if not further afield.
The system works well, isn't really intrusive, doesn't involve tracking (it's just a list of reported stolen IMEIs after all) and is pretty much uncontroversial.
This is after all the point - to stop lost/stolen phones from being used on as many networks as possible, to reduce their value and so help lower/prevent theft. Nothing to do with tracking.
Hopefully the US contributes to and uses the list that is used in Europe to make a stolen phone even more useless. |
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If the thieves know that the phone will be a brick, chances are someone stealing a cell phone would go down. Why would you? Not worth it.
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Finally! Yes, please make it publicly searchable! While this system may not be 100% fool-proof, it should be 1) very cheap to implement; 2) cut down on a lot of the casual theives, or those who steal a phone given the opportunity just to mess around with it.
Seems like this database/website/importing of data from the carriers could be up in running in a month's time with 1 person's labor. |
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| said by AnonMe :Seems like this database/website/importing of data from the carriers could be up in running in a month's time with 1 person's labor.
I agree. It shouldn't take 18 months. T-Mobile already does block IMEI's. (Not with stolen but with unpaid phones/accounts)
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| Especially considering this has been in action for years overseas.
Aussies were the first to implement the system and Europe soon followed with great success. |
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Re: Ok , that is just messed up. said by ohreally :Hopefully the US contributes to and uses the list that is used in Europe to make a stolen phone even more useless. Great idea! Similar to what they do with cars. AFAIK, the car VIN sh!t list is international, so if a car gets reported stolen, totaled or salvaged in one part of the world, it cannot be registered anywhere.
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| I call BS on this one, I had my truck stolen and the thing turned up in Saudi Arabia 9 months later.
Yet it was registered and was being driven, the reason we even found it was that I had setup the nav system to report when check engine lights came on.
The person must have connected it to wifi to sync the music library and it emailed me the report, which we sent to the police and the insurance company, no one did a thing. and it sends me frequent reports when the person syncs with the music library.
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Boston, MA | I can imagine why the Everett police and your insurance company weren't able or willing to do anything about your truck in Suadia Arabia. |
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Re: Ok , that is just messed up. said by pnh102:My anti-government reputation is well known but i would expect the government to do its part to enforce laws against stealing things, fencing stolen property, etc.
Unless it's guns going to Mexico so the FBI and ATF can track them.  |
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said by Pirate515:Great idea! Similar to what they do with cars. AFAIK, the car VIN sh!t list is international, so if a car gets reported stolen, totaled or salvaged in one part of the world, it cannot be registered anywhere.
Yeah, that's BS. Other than the story of the truck in Saudi Arabia, Mexico has tons of stolen cars that were taken from this country. |
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Tallahassee, FL | reply to MovieLover76
said by MovieLover76:Just make it publicly searchable so valid third party used phone sales on ebay and elsewhere can continue, I buy and sell a lot of phones for easier upgrades, and we'll need a way to confirm the IMEI isn't blocked before we sell or purchase the devices now. I think this is pretty important.
Theives will not care if the phone is stolen when they will just turn around and sell it to someone, making two victims out of their process, but not hurting the thief at all.
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Re: Finally! said by djdanska:said by AnonMe :Seems like this database/website/importing of data from the carriers could be up in running in a month's time with 1 person's labor.
I agree. It shouldn't take 18 months. T-Mobile already does block IMEI's. (Not with stolen but with unpaid phones/accounts) These companies are not nimble. Simple things take them lots of time to do. They can't do anything without a committe and lots of arguing.
I think a moderately technical person could have one running in just a few hours with an api.
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Calgary, AB | reply to Telco
said by Telco:Especially considering this has been in action for years overseas.
Aussies were the first to implement the system and Europe soon followed with great success.
Oh! That's the kiss of death right there. The Europeans do it? Then it won't work in America.
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Re: Ok , that is just messed up. Sounds like a job for Interpol! |
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| No sounds like a job for my insurance company who is global to go and try and get the vehicle back. Instead they bump my rates to compensate for some ass who stole my stuff. It's not right.
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