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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:05:44 EDT

telco_mtl posted :

"Eyesore" is a highly subjective term and as far as I am concerned, shopping mall strips are an "eyesore" and so are the warehouses, walmarts and so on.

If I had a backyard and Rogers wanted to put an antenna into it, they'd be very welcome to do so for $200/month. I'd even let them sit in it and guard it 24/7 for that sum if they wanted to. ;)

Hell, I'd even let BHELL put up a tower, but I'd make sure to UBB them based on the traffic that transits on that tower. But I'm not heartless. I'd let them pre-purchase up to 3 usage blocks of 20 gigs each for 5 bucks. Billed at $4.50 afterwards. :D An eye for an eye...

that tower isnt that much of an eyesore, looks like a tall telephone pole, ive seen worse

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:09:55 EDT

alienzzz posted : "Eyesore" is a highly subjective term and as far as I am concerned, shopping mall strips are an "eyesore" and so are the warehouses, walmarts and so on.

If I had a backyard and Rogers wanted to put an antenna into it, they'd be very welcome to do so for $200/month. I'd even let them sit in it and guard it 24/7 for that sum if they wanted to. ;)

Hell, I'd even let BHELL put up a tower, but I'd make sure to UBB them based on the traffic that transits on that tower. But I'm not heartless. I'd let them pre-purchase up to 3 usage blocks of 20 gigs each for 5 bucks. Billed at $4.50 afterwards. :D An eye for an eye...

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:03:23 EDT

BryceS posted :

said by JAC70:

Look at a map. There's dead space within 500m that would have sufficed. There's no reason for this eyesore.

Maybe they didn't want to have the tower on their land.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:13:06 EDT

JAC70 posted : Look at a map. There's dead space within 500m that would have sufficed. There's no reason for this eyesore.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:43:14 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by no brainer :

said by nitzguy:

....where do I freakin sign? It'd be a no brainer...

You must be young.

Try and sell that house after.
You won't get what the market was asking for it before the tower. Nor will the neighbours.

...supply and demand determines a houses worth...if land is scarce, prices go up...

And no, I'm not "young" as per se, unless you call mid 30s young...I just realize opportunity when it knocks...as for my neighbours, well that's TFB for them, too much NIMBY in this world...way way too much.

Probably same people who whine about wires on poles....gimme a break...

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:45:52 EDT

BryceS posted :

said by BliZZardX:

Do they pay 4500/mo even in low density "suburbs" / borderline rural areas?

Usually you get a quadruple play (only two cellphones) bundle for $0 and nearly every channel on TV plus about $150/mo.

This is what it is for a farm out near Woodstock, ON, from the big 3. My friend has a Rogers tower on his land. This is a big tower that you could almost BASE jump off of.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:54:43 EDT

battleop posted : I have no idea.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:41:05 EDT

BliZZardX posted : Do they pay 4500/mo even in low density "suburbs" / borderline rural areas?

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:28:58 EDT

battleop posted : Nope. I have a friend who's dad and two brothers were offered $4500/mo for something like 20 years by Nextel. Nextel did everything including installing a 3 carrier tower. If they add more carriers they get a cut of that as well. They separated the land the tower was on from everything else to that the had the option to keep the cell site if they decided to sell the business and the building. When they all retired they did just that. The sold the restaurant and the building and kept the cell site's income.
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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:21:24 EDT

telco_mtl posted :

said by battleop:

Depends on the income from the tower and property. There are some people with towers on their land that are making $5000+/mo.

these tower deals are very lucrative, especially if they are using YOUR structure to support the antenna array

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:19:54 EDT

battleop posted : Depends on the income from the tower and property. There are some people with towers on their land that are making $5000+/mo.
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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:14:39 EDT

battleop posted : The article says that they had contacted several home owners offering to pay $200/mo for the space. I guess one of the neighbors decided to extend the middle finger to everyone else.
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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:10:40 EDT

battleop posted : "horrified"

Oh give me a break. Unless the tower fell over and crushed babies there is nothing that could make you "horrified".
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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:09:51 EDT

telco_mtl posted :

said by hm :

In chateauguay, this started a couple of years ago. I recall posting it in this forum. But in chateauguay, these were full size towers if I recall right going up in peoples yards.

I do, however, recall the latest round over there being about the ones in church steeples...

in chateauguay the thing a few years back was the 3 towers that appeared around the corner of maple and danjou. the latest one is because public put one at the chato centre motel and le carrefour in october and tried to put one on the legion.

the church steeple thing has seemed to pass under the radar, they have been up for years and some are well disguised.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:57:59 EDT

anon posted : In chateauguay, this started a couple of years ago. I recall posting it in this forum. But in chateauguay, these were full size towers if I recall right going up in peoples yards.

I do, however, recall the latest round over there being about the ones in church steeples...

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:29:39 EDT

telco_mtl posted :

said by milnoc:

But the neighbours don't get the same benefits, and the value of their homes will go down because of the eyesore.

the same tempest is going on right now in chateauguay, public put up about 3-4 of this style antenna around the town. One thing people dont seem to realize is the antennas on church steeples. in the 5 neighboring towns around my place i can count at least 6 churches with cell antennas on the steeples (some of these churches are right next to houses (ste-margeurite youville in chateauguay)) and one of them has an FM radio antenna on it too!

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:32:56 EDT

TwiztedZero posted :

said by jfmezei:

Coat the wiring with peanut butter and let the squirrels do their job :-)

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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:31:24 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by milnoc:

Do you remember what happened to the lady who said that? :D

Manicure?

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:30:12 EDT

milnoc posted : Do you remember what happened to the lady who said that? :D

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:38:14 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by milnoc:

But the neighbours don't get the same benefits, and the value of their homes will go down because of the eyesore.

How does the expression go...... let them mange gateaux, or something like that?

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:22:51 EDT

milnoc posted : But the neighbours don't get the same benefits, and the value of their homes will go down because of the eyesore.
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Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:56:59 EDT

anon posted : For Sale: House with perfect cell signal plus you never need to pay for service and they will also pay you.

I'd buy that house. In my mind it adds value.

In this day and age cell service is a must.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:35:15 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Absolutely.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:09:16 EDT

Toastertech posted : I only have one small question, I notice that the original post/article finds it important to mention the value of the houses in the area. Does this mean it would be more acceptable in a lower value area?

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:20:07 EDT

anon posted :

said by nitzguy:

....where do I freakin sign? It'd be a no brainer...

You must be young.

Try and sell that house after.
You won't get what the market was asking for it before the tower. Nor will the neighbours.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:59:08 EDT

anon posted :

said by jfmezei:

What is not clear is whether installing a 15m antenna requires a city building permit at the very least.

Municipalities derive their powers from their respective provincial governments. Federal (telecom/broadcasting) jurisdiction trumps them both (no building permit or permission from the municipality is required). Regardless of height they follow Industry Canada rules. It is only when it is over 15m do they have to do the "public consultation" process.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:48:31 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by ummmnoos :

Rogers will pay rent or provide free services to people who allow towers to be built on there property. YAY for rogers for tricking the NIMBY people.

In the article it says its in a private yard...that person = SMART...Rogers pays them X a month for lease of that land and poof, extra income...and what'd he/she have to do? Nothing...just let a small parcel of land they probably didn't use anyways, get used...and get better cell service as a result.

Smart to the property owner, if someone came to me and said, hey we want to build a tower and will pay you X per month in virtual perpetutity.....where do I freakin sign? It'd be a no brainer...

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:37:00 EDT

InvalidError posted :

said by Chuck sTruck :

If it was me i'd just push it over. How would Rogers ever know? You just wait for a very windy day and push it over. After they fix it you wait for another very windy day and push it over again. Pretty soon it will just stay pushed over.

Towers are built to survive the worst weather known to occur anywhere near the area for the public's safety. If towers are going down but not trees, utility poles, rooftops, etc., then they will automatically suspect vandalism and investigation can usually tell pretty easily.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:40:47 EDT

jfmezei posted : Coat the wiring with peanut butter and let the squirrels do their job :-)

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:35:04 EDT

anon posted : If it was me i'd just push it over. How would Rogers ever know? You just wait for a very windy day and push it over. After they fix it you wait for another very windy day and push it over again. Pretty soon it will just stay pushed over.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:58:09 EDT

InvalidError posted :

said by ummmnoos :

Rogers will pay rent or provide free services to people who allow towers to be built on there property. YAY for rogers for tricking the NIMBY people.

If people want service, the infrastructure required to provide those services has to go somewhere. If NIMBY was allowed to get in the way of everything, nearly nothing would ever get done anywhere.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:00:59 EDT

anon posted : Rogers will pay rent or provide free services to people who allow towers to be built on there property. YAY for rogers for tricking the NIMBY people.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:00:56 EDT

jfmezei posted : I know that the mobile companies do not even need to tell the city when they install a DAS antenna on a telephone pole or existing building. They need to talk to the city to install such an antenna on a light post. But this a business transaction, not one requiring approval.

I know that installing an antenna greater than 15m requires industry canada approval.

What is not clear is whether installing a 15m antenna requires a city building permit at the very least.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:46:18 EDT

mlerner posted : What InvalidError said. Not that I agree with it but on the title of my property Bell has an easement in place and can choose to use it however they want as far as I know.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:38:40 EDT

InvalidError posted : Towers are most likely built on "easements" just like utility poles - a part of "your property" that the city/government retains all rights to. If you build anything on easements that gets into utilities' way, utilities are authorized to remove it without compensation to you.

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:16:46 EDT

zod5000 posted : The property is owned by someone?

Sure they can put up a sub-15 metre pole. Can they really put it up on someone else property?

Couldn't the home owner tear it down? If its on his property I don't see the issue?

Re: Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:57:14 EDT

InvalidError posted : Getting under IC's radar isn't the only reason they build 15m towers these days.

Since cell towers are much smaller than before, they no longer need to be anywhere near as high as they used to back in the days where cells were often more than 10km across. Shorter towers are also cheaper, lighter, quicker, safer to build, sturdier, easier and cheaper to maintain, etc. There are tons of advantages to sticking to the lowest practical height.

Rogers uses Fed Regulations to Screw People

Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:30:16 EDT

anon posted : Rogers defends move to install antenna in Kirkland backyard
»westislandgazette.com/news/29626

Rogers Communications said it did everything by the book based on Industry Canada regulations in regards to recently installing a tower in a Kirkland backyard.

Dozens of people living near 75 Acres St., a residential strip of single-family homes with valuations in the $400,000 range, were horrified when a tower that stands about 15 metres was erected in the backyard in one day without prior notice two weeks ago. They fired off a petition to city hall demanding it be torn down.

City officials, who said they didn't approve a work permit for the tower, are promising to look into the matter on behalf of disgruntled neighbours and to set up a meeting.

Rogers officials, however, said the company had the approval of Industry Canada, the federal authority that regulates radio-communication and broadcasting installations.

For towers under 15 metres, Industry Canada does require communication companies to follow a public consultation process, according to Rogers representative Stephanie Jarrold.

"This tower is just under 15 metres," she said. "The tower also adheres to Safety Code 6 calculations (set by Health Canada).

"Yes, it's in a residential area and yes, Industry Canada accepted it," she added.

Since it falls under federal jurisdiction, Rogers did not need to seek a zoning change nor a work permit from the city in order to install the tower, Jarrold said, adding all its paperwork went through the Industry Canada process for approval. Continues...

In other words, Rogers purposely made sure the height was just under 15-meters in order to by-pass and avoid the public and the municipal zoning laws which would have also made it public.

What a great company.