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mob
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[humor] E-books anyone?

»marketday.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20···ort?lite

»money.cnn.com/2012/04/11/technol···pt=hp_t1

»www.politico.com/news/stories/04···028.html

I guess AAPL can do some wrong.
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From the perspective of the publisher, Apple's model is preferred. Amazon is in a race to the bottom and wants to put a stranglehold on the market by selling books at a loss. This will result in a net loss of competition, hurting everyone.

»pandodaily.com/2012/01/17/confes···kill-us/

Note that Apple had lots of forewarning about this lawsuit and refused to concede demands in order to settle. So they either view the governments demands as a core threat to their business model or they strongly believe they are on the right side. Given that they are not principally a book selling business, I have to presume it's the latter.

Apple does do a lot of wrong. Random heavy handedness in the App store, for example. But I'm not so sure they are in the wrong on this one.

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rugby
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I think we need to see some justification that selling an e-book at $10 generates a loss whereas a hard cover book sold at release is usually LESS than the ebook version.


Thinkdiff
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The books were sold wholesale by the publisher to Amazon. If Amazon sells the eBook for less than the unit price they paid for it + their own costs, that's a loss. Just because it's an eBook doesn't mean it was free/nearly free for Amazon to acquire it.
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DarkSithPro

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»news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57412···dlines.0

DOJ announces three e-book settlements, but not with Apple
E-book publishers Hachette, HarperCollins, and Simon & Schuster have settled allegations of e-book price fixing. Three other companies, including Apple, will square off against the Justice Department in court.

robbin
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Sounds like the government's case is not only that Apple was involved but that Steve Jobs personally was attending the meetings where the price fixing occurred.


Snakeoil
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reply to rugby
said by rugby:

I think we need to see some justification that selling an e-book at $10 generates a loss whereas a hard cover book sold at release is usually LESS than the ebook version.

I have browsed torrent sites, and I have seen a lot of e-books listed on those sites.

IMO, selling an e-book at 10 bucks a pop generates more profit then selling a physical book.
Physical books require fuel and man power to get them into the hands of the reader, which add costs to the book. An e-book is easy money.
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The Dv8or
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said by Snakeoil:

IMO, selling an e-book at 10 bucks a pop generates more profit then selling a physical book.
Physical books require fuel and man power to get them into the hands of the reader, which add costs to the book. An e-book is easy money.

You say "in my opinion", and then you follow it up with what are essentially made up facts. You have no idea if what you're saying is true or not. However, it fits your argument, regardless of its truth. And opinion has nothing to do with it.
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robbin
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Are you really questioning that it takes man power and fuel to deliver hard copy books?


howardfine

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You're ignoring the costs involved with creating and marketing the book. There's the author, the editor, the minions, their offices and the marketing department and the cost of marketing. Books of any kind are never created for free no matter the media.


Snakeoil
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said by The Dv8or:

said by Snakeoil:

IMO, selling an e-book at 10 bucks a pop generates more profit then selling a physical book.
Physical books require fuel and man power to get them into the hands of the reader, which add costs to the book. An e-book is easy money.

You say "in my opinion", and then you follow it up with what are essentially made up facts. You have no idea if what you're saying is true or not. However, it fits your argument, regardless of its truth. And opinion has nothing to do with it.

Ok MR. Troll, I'll bit.

Do e-book require fuel to deliver to readers? I doubt it, unless you count the coal used to power the power plants that power the devices that run/connect to the internet. Then that amount of coal required is probably a small amount. Compared to the power required to power a printing press, book binder. Then to box it, then load it in the truck to deliver to the point of sale or the readers home.

e-book requires a lot less effort then a physical book. It's production costs are a lot less. The main cost is the license fee.

Also consider the physical space abook takes up. It requires a warehouse to be stored in for shipping, or a bookshelf for display. An ebook takes up next to nothing in space. Add to that, a physical book requires a human to move it, vs an ebook.

So physical books do have a higher cost then ebooks.
ebooks are easy money.

Go check out smashwords, or a print on demand service. Heck even Barnes and Noble or Amazon have self publish e-book software. For those that want to publish an e-book.

Heck, the one site I was on, mentioned one reason why ebooks were so high, was because the publishers still have a lot of physical real estate to pay for. Offices, warehouses, maybe printing presses, though I think they contract that out.
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robbin
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Did you read my post? Are you saying that it takes NO MORE man power or fuel to deliver a hard copy book than an ebook?

Some of the costs you describe will be there regardless, although marketing seems to take a big hit in this.