Topic 'Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security...' in forum 'Security' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27107381 en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:56:37 EDT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:56:37 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27153138
Of course, there should be a limit and that would mean somebody would think the limit was too short but I suspect currently the majority think it is too short not just a few. I think allowing 10-15 more characters would make it easier to have the full title show and yet not be a mess like your example.

I think I am recalling that the reason it is so short a limit is to keep the title on one line. I can't recall why it was objectionable to have it take two lines. Of course, it wouldn't look as nice.
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There have been several requests over the years for Justin to change it to allow longer titles.
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I realize we're getting a bit off topic here, but there has to be some sort of limit. I think there is always a way to get the initial point across with the allowed number of characters.
Otherwise, we'd have topic headings like:
"End of Windows XP support means I just don't know what to do, like, should I stick with XP anyway or upgrade to a newer Windows OS, or buy a Mac or go with linux, or, I mean what do you guys think I should do because I'm really confused about this at the moment and can't make up my mind!" :D

What a mess that would be. :o ;)
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I'm running various flavors of Windows 7 on my other machines & at work. But see no need to upgrade either of these machines. For what? So, I can go out and dump a thousand plus to upgrade the 'old' operating system, motherboards, ram, graphics cards, etc? Basically, I would be throwing two perfectly good computers into the trash to buy two new ones. Why?

The big concern is that there are a lot of 'single-purpose' machines out there that don't need any upgrade what-so-ever. 'SCADA' was mentioned. The great majority of these machines sit in isolated shacks, that are only visited maybe once a year for maintenance or when things to wrong. They are not connected to the internet. They are not at risk of new viruses. And they work fine.

I'm not knocking Microsoft at all. There is no requirement for them to support what they consider to be a ten year old product. But, then again, many of these systems don't need to be upgraded. And in spite of the patches, I have to hand it to Microsoft. XP was one of the best OS they ever produced. Maybe better than Windows 7 - only time will tell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27146307 Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:24 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27144042
quote:
End of Windows XP support means beginning of security...

To which I say, BS!
quote:
End of Windows XP support era signals beginning of security nightmare

Which is another matter entirely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27144042 Mon, 14 May 2012 10:08:23 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27143335
I recently found a immaculate used laptop (built for Vista) on CL for my brother's homework: a 17" 1.6Ghz dual-core w/ 1.5GB of RAM and a 160GB HDD for $110. It came with a clean install of Win7 Home and it flies.

This is only a local Community College and a "basic skills" sort of class he's taking. Yet, they use MS Office 10 and Windows 7 machines.

The days of XP predominating in the educational and workforce arenas are pretty much over IMO.
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If you're talking about a corporate environment, well, that's different. Still, time marches on and MS doesn't care about the past that much. They are moving away from the desktop market and into cloud/mobile dev more and more as time passes.

But, if as a home user you have a dual-core with even 3GB of RAM, it will run better on Win7 than XP. It's so much more efficient it's ridiculous.

My old PIII's and P4's I used to run old stuff on collect dust now...there's just no point to them now that I can run any OS I want virtually in Win7 x64. Hell, I could even take my old Win2K box and turn it into a VHD if I still cared to.

"Time wounds all heels" it's been said, and it's especially true in the computing world.
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said by pokesph:

There is STILL no viable upgrade path from XP to Win7!

Once this is addressed, then us XP holdouts may consider updating.
We'll take our chances after EOL

A clean install is the only way: »windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind···indows-7

Who here doesn't do a nuke 'n pave when it's install time anyways...even on the same OS?

I did a clean install going from XPpro to Win7 x32 and did it again when going from Win7 x32 to x64. Which was about two years on each version...it was time anyways IMHO.

I don't see what the big deal is for a proficient user to have to do a clean install for a new OS. I thought that was pretty much SOP.

problem with that is this a daily working pc.. all my apps and programs are here, some from 5 or 6 yrs ago and not easily replaced or re-installable.

in order for win7 to fully take hold for current xp users, a direct migration path needs to be provided.
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There is STILL no viable upgrade path from XP to Win7!

Once this is addressed, then us XP holdouts may consider updating.
We'll take our chances after EOL

A clean install is the only way: »windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind···indows-7

Who here doesn't do a nuke 'n pave when it's install time anyways...even on the same OS?

I did a clean install going from XPpro to Win7 x32 and did it again when going from Win7 x32 to x64 when my hardware warranted the change. Which was about two years on each version...it was time anyways IMHO.

I don't see what the big deal is for a proficient user to have to do a clean install for a new OS. I thought that was pretty much SOP.
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Once this is addressed, then us XP holdouts may consider updating.

We'll take our chances after EOL
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There is nothing else one can do on their computer while search takes place? That's odd. I always have a bunch of things to do while searching. Computers do multitasking you know.
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Win98se is even older but that doesnt mean IT ISNT GOOD!! (Quite the opposite.. 98se is one of the best ever released!)

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If remaining XP users really don't want to plunk down the cash for a copy of Windows 7 (or 8, assuming it isn't a ME/Vista v2.0), then most any distro of Linux should have full hardware support by now for systems that shipped with XP on them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27118718 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:53:03 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27118639 --
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The point of indexing is that it gets done when you're not waiting for the results. That's the tradeoff: do work ahead of time so you don't have to wait when you need the results.

"Trashing your disk" supposes that using a disk somehow causes it to die sooner.. unless this is a popular typo for "thrashing". And I'd characterise the live search as "thrashing".

I personally use live search too - findstr from the command line for content, dir from the command line for naming. But my preferences don't mean that indexing is a technology that has no place. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27118293 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:25:34 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27118107
Indexing is a common exchange between speed and size. With indexing you get better speed and loose your disk space. And the bigger HD size you have in your posession, the bigger space (and time) it takes to make that index database (obviously), which keeps info about all the files on that HD...

So, with indexing you trash your disk by "beating the disk to hell reading every file" that you're probably never going to search and your computer has to keep index database always updated (or it will keep deleted files, removed data from files, etc, making it useless) all the time, keeping your HD/CPU busy. So, pick up your poison...

Personally I prefer to use live search, but not the slow default windows search. I use two different (and very fast) tools - one to search a file by name, and another one to search data in files. Its two different tasks, thus two different tools.
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One thing you might not have noticed (30 mins didn't seem to be long enough to read the info) is that the default is to use the disk index rather than beating the disk to hell reading every file. This is a laudable efficiency improvement -- the old simple-minded way doesn't really scale to today's disk sizes -- but doesn't always get what you want. You can configure that, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27117129 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:00:14 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116976 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116976 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 06:23:09 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116954 If I am searching that folder, after my computer is a year or so old, it is gigantic and files there are not necessarily under the name of the program I installed. Plus, I do all Microsoft security patches manually and I check file versions listed in the Microsoft table before and after installing each patch and many of those are rather obscure Windows files that I don't know always where they are located. So, sometimes I need a good search program like the one in XP where I installed the W2000 search interface (got rid of the cartoony XP search GUI).

The third party search that I installed on Vista Ultimate, used on Win 7 beta, and will immediately install on my upcoming new computer is Agent Ransack. It is very fast and quite like W2000/XP search. Plus, it doesn't need to index to search quickly (thus does not need to run all the time which is a MAJOR PLUS) and it has the ability to search within files. It is free.

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I could boot up my Pentium 233MX from 1996 right now, and know where things are at. I have about 10 computers spanning over 30+ years of computing including a Macintosh LC 575 that works as good as the day it was made, I know nearly every file of mine on all of them.

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Maybe I'll just go to Ubuntu or some other variation of Linux after XP support is completely removed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116945 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:41:31 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116940
I know where my stuff is.
I have progs, pics, vids, downloads, etc all where I want them.

Do you not know how file folders work?

I have c:\tmp for downloads, c:\temp for extracted d/l's and chit i want to keep

Etc.

I make Windows do what *I* want.

Manage yer shit and you won't need to search. Define download dirs for yer browsers...know where files go. Do not DL to Desktop.

When I DO need to search for some obscure file, I use the BETTER search in Total Commander. It can search my entire C: in seconds.
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Are you serious, or just not well?

Far as I know, that's the only way to search. That's what I hate mostly about 7. To me, it's clumsy and annoying. I like being able to pull up any folder and be able to search for a certain file in it or it's sub-folders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116934 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:20:15 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116928 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116928 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:10:03 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116913 said by LondonOntGuy:

I wouldn't have a problem with this if Vista and 7 weren't steaming piles of shit. I ran 7 the other day for less than 30 minutes before I nuked it off my system. Leave it to M$ to fuck up something as simple as a 'search' function on the O/S, and make it way more complicated than it has to be.



Are you serious, or just not well?

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As a very devoted Win98SEWin2K/WinXP guy, I can say Win7 blows the clotted junk off of every M$ OS it predeceases.

Period.

If you do not have the hardware to run Win7 well. Then, you're more poor than a guy on SSI. Because I do thanks to CL and Ebay. ;-)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116913 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 03:40:01 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116890 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116890 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 03:17:28 EDT Re: End of Windows XP support means beginning of security... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116145 said by caffeinator:

My old PIII Win2K box is as secure as it was in 2004, it's just not that useful anymore.

My old 2000's era apps and games run faster in a XP VM on my C2D than they could possibly do in hardware from their era. It's the best of both worlds.

Let the old dogs lie, I say.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, unless you haven't used Windows Update on that Win2K box since 2004... Microsoft stopped providing security patches for Win2K on July 13, 2010. Therefore any security holes after that date are wide open.

I agree though, running whatever old apps you need on a modern OS in a VM is much preferable over running an ancient OS.

said by waldstein:

My quad core processor on a 32bit board with 4 gigs of memory is quite happy with XP. I have not even attempted to "update" my XP from the Microsoft site in a year or so, and I remain totally free of viruses and malware. I know how to protect myself and would remain as careful even if I had the latest, greatest, MS OS.

I have a great many legacy apps that are not easily compatible with newer windows versions; and replacements for them are either non existent or expensive. Screw that!

Finally, I question the morality of people who disdain XP users simply because XP is an "old" OS. I'm old, myself, and functioning quite well, tyvm.

Quad core doesn't mean anything, what is it a Core 2? Getting some age on it, though it would still be a nice CPU with a modern OS (Vista/7.) If you don't ever update XP, then you have nothing to worry about (except trojans, rootkits, malware, etc. ,) as MS will simply stop providing more updates for XP in two years from now. By then your machine will be pretty outdated, and the security holes in your OS will have grown immensely. If you're okay with "remaining careful" that's fine, but sooner or later you will have a script exploit or something come through (unless you hardly ever browse the Internet) and you will regret not ever updating Windows. Hell you could already have a rootkit and not even know it. Free country though, I just hope that your machine won't be a candidate as a DDoS zombie or a botnet.

As for "morality," it's an operating system, not a living being. I never will understand people becoming attached to unsentimental inanimate objects (or in this case, ancient software.) It's one thing to like retro stuff, but to think that you can go forever on an old system, and that companies like Microsoft should spend money on obsolete software, is beyond me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27116145 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:18:27 EDT Re:   http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-nbsp-27115950
Win 98se had many limitations which were fixed with future operating systems, it's how things go. Just because you're either too broke, or too attached to it is your problem. Nobody is supporting it anymore. You would be far better off using a used p4 computer somebody was throwing away with XP, or ubuntu than that machine.
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I wonder if it will actually work in the VM. :D

Should do unless you need to use USB. That doesn't work in VPC 2007 but might in Win7 (?).
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My quad core processor on a 32bit board with 4 gigs of memory is quite happy with XP. I have not even attempted to "update" my XP from the Microsoft site in a year or so, and I remain totally free of viruses and malware. I know how to protect myself and would remain as careful even if I had the latest, greatest, MS OS.

Yeah..I do however let my XP VM update (notify only).

Over 75 updates from a vanilla SP3 install. But, now I have a perfectly working and customized 2.5GB up-to-date XPpro exported appliance that's good to go.


said by waldstein:

Finally, I question the morality of people who disdain XP users simply because XP is an "old" OS. I'm old, myself, and functioning quite well, tyvm.

Same here man. :)
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I still have to find the bag I need but at least the cables I want are in there (maybe).

Haha! Yeah, I know my serial cable is in the box with my old Cisco 678...wherever that may be. Too lazy to search ATM. ;)
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...but can I find one?

Last time I moved I bought a whole bunch of those zip-lock freezer bags (large) and put all like-cables in one bag (e.g. serial in one, parallel in another, USB in another etc). I still have to find the bag I need but at least the cables I want are in there (maybe).
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I have a great many legacy apps that are not easily compatible with newer windows versions; and replacements for them are either non existent or expensive. Screw that!

Finally, I question the morality of people who disdain XP users simply because XP is an "old" OS. I'm old, myself, and functioning quite well, tyvm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-End-of-Windows-XP-support-means-beginning-of-security-27114371 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:22:54 EDT Re:   http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-nbsp-27114336
I know what ya mean about finding stuff as I "need" a RS-232 serial cable for an old UPS I got for $9 the other day, but can I find one?

Meh! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-nbsp-27114336 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:16:40 EDT Re:   http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-nbsp-27114244 said by caffeinator:

...so no cables like that lying around.

Having been around and working with PC's since the 80's I have a large collection of adapters/boards/etc. Trouble is I can never find them... quickly anyway :(
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It's the only lappy I own, so no cables like that lying around. Not worth buying one for it either as I got it for free many years ago. :)

I use it to surf around in the living room when Nascar is on...the only thing I don't watch online on the main box.
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...but it's a bit hard when the 6GB hdd is about full and there is no USB2 support for an external drive to backup to.

I used a 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adapter and put the HD in another box and did the VHD conversion there. It wasn't fast (old slow IDE drive) but I only had to do it once. Booting from the VHD gave lots of "new hardware found" messages and some drivers had to be removed but again it's a one-time thing.

Now I have a virtual antique :D

BTW I've used that VM at least once to restore some files I'd never copied to other boxes.
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It'd take eons to image that thing via USB 1.1....lol

It's a cute antique.
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One of these days I'll probably just image the thing for posterity...

Before I donated my Toshiba Portege 3025CT (Win98SE) to a new home I made a VHD from the HD. Now I can run it using VPC and it runs faster than on the original machine :)
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One of these days I'll probably just image the thing for posterity and put Core Linux on it. In the meantime, it's fun to play with and still boots in about 30 seconds.

My point? I keep my main PC updated and use VM's for any XP-era software I still use...which isn't much. I don't really worry or bother with the old gear stuff unless it affects functionality or security. My old PIII Win2K box is as secure as it was in 2004, it's just not that useful anymore.

My old 2000's era apps and games run faster in a XP VM on my C2D than they could possibly do in hardware from their era. It's the best of both worlds.

Let the old dogs lie, I say.
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Win98se is an amazing OS..

I thought it'd be AWESOME ;)
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