resa1983Premium
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| CNOC letter to CRTC re:Aggregated Rogers POI This is all sorts of messed up.
Looks like TSI wants to move to Aggregated, and Rogers is saying "No". |
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resa1983Premium
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North York, ON
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·TekSavvy Cable
| Rogers' response.
Last sentence:
"Of course, proper planning is required to ensure that appropriately-sized orders are placed with sufficient lead-time to avoid congestion."
Completely ignoring the fact they haven't bothered meeting any of the deadlines they themselves made. Their last upgrades they actually completed were late, and the most recent batch of upgrades ordered just weren't done. |
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| Assuming this is in fact TSI
said by resa1983:Completely ignoring the fact they haven't bothered meeting any of the deadlines they themselves made. Their last upgrades they actually completed were late, and the most recent batch of upgrades ordered just weren't done.
Actually a few sentences before that they did claim there was "no evidence of delays", so if TSI can prove it, they will be caught in a lie.
said by "Rogers" :CNOC also alleges that the ISP it is representing in its letter has been experiencing
significant congestion issues and delays in obtaining additional capacity at
disaggregated POIs. No evidence is provided to support the allegation. Additionally all TSI was really asking for were 10Gbps links for aggregated POI, Rogers begrudgingly said OK we'll have a tariff filed by May 18th.
said by "Rogers" :The transition of existing large volume TPIA customers to aggregated POIs from
disaggregated POIs will generate traffic volumes that warrant 10 Gbps interfaces. As
bilateral discussions have recently commenced to plan such a transition with one of
Rogers’ major customers, Rogers will file proposed tariff pages by May 18, 2012 to
include a 10 Gbps interconnection option. Planning of the transition can proceed with the
knowledge that a 10 Gbps interface option will be available prior to implementation of the
plan
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resa1983Premium
join:2008-03-10
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| Yeah. The only other possibility is Distributel & co (I do believe), but has Rogers really dicked them around (I honestly don't know because I dont tend to read the Distributel forum/threads here for Distributel)?
said by the cerberus:Additionally all TSI was really asking for were 10Gbps links for aggregated POI, Rogers begrudgingly said OK we'll have a tariff filed by May 18th. Do you really think a large TPIA provider would have CNOC do this tariff request(/complaint), if Rogers told them they'd be doing a tariff in a few weeks? I'm more likely to believe Rogers just said no, and is only doing it now because CNOC complained to the CRTC. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
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| reply to the cerberus
Yeah, no guarantee there. It definitely could be TSI, but I count at least 5 other TPIA providers within CNOC's membership. One being the other "big player" (Distributel), and another being the only Rogers aggregated TPIA provider so far (Start Communications). |
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resa1983Premium
join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
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| said by bt:Yeah, no guarantee there. It definitely could be TSI, but I count at least 5 other TPIA providers within CNOC's membership. One being the other "big player" (Distributel), and another being the only Rogers aggregated TPIA provider so far (Start Communications). Per the first letter:
quote:
Recently, one of the larger CNOC members and wholesale customer of Rogers approached Rogers to obtain 10 Gbps interconnection interfaces while transferring to Rogers’ aggregated TPIA POIs
That won't be Start.
So its Distributel, or TSI. Both of which are under heavy stop sells, with pretty much all POIs under stop sell. |
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| The reason that they're reluctant to switch to aggregated is because they have made capacity commitments to the existing POI's, and that the aggregated POI pricing structure would result in raised costs.
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
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| reply to the cerberus
said by the cerberus:Actually a few sentences before that they did claim there was "no evidence of delays", so if TSI can prove it, they will be caught in a lie.
Not quite what they said. They said no evidence was provided. It's weasel-lawyer talk for "We admit nothing until you can prove it." |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand
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| reply to resa1983
There is no distributel forum, at least not that I'm aware of.
Yeah they are also under heavy stop sells,with promised upgrades within a few months (yeah I've head that before).
TSI alone should be able to hand a 10gb interface, so I have no idea how Robbers can say capacity doesn't justify it.
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| said by elwoodblues:TSI alone should be able to hand a 10gb interface, so I have no idea how Robbers can say capacity doesn't justify it.
And TSI better have a redundant link entering the Rogers head-end on a different fibre via a completely separate building entrance - like @ 151 Front.
The location of the Rogers head-end is right beside a rail line. I can see it now....a derailment where cars smash into the Rogers building and take out the internet for 1/2 the population of Ontario. |
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resa1983Premium
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| said by elwoodblues:Yeah they are also under heavy stop sells,with promised upgrades within a few months (yeah I've head that before). With probably all POIs under stop sells for a full year - even after receiving their last upgrade - made it better, but not right. Rogers just isn't following through on their upgrades on a timely basis.
I believe they promised 2x 1gigE links for Dupont by end of November I think it was? As well as promising additional links other POIs for December. They put 1 in at Dupont at the end of December - and I do believe that was it.
said by MaynardKrebs:The location of the Rogers head-end is right beside a rail line. I can see it now....a derailment where cars smash into the Rogers building and take out the internet for 1/2 the population of Ontario.
Yeah.. I've had that same thought as well.. Especially when a few months ago when I was heading for lunch, all I saw was a bunch of firetrucks racing to go under that bridge. |
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Hopefully, some redundancy has been put in since these outages a while back.
»www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2···323.html |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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| reply to resa1983
said by resa1983:said by elwoodblues:Yeah they are also under heavy stop sells,with promised upgrades within a few months (yeah I've head that before). With probably all POIs under stop sells for a full year - even after receiving their last upgrade - made it better, but not right. Rogers just isn't following through on their upgrades on a timely basis. I believe they promised 2x 1gigE links for Dupont by end of November I think it was? As well as promising additional links other POIs for December. They put 1 in at Dupont at the end of December - and I do believe that was it. said by MaynardKrebs:The location of the Rogers head-end is right beside a rail line. I can see it now....a derailment where cars smash into the Rogers building and take out the internet for 1/2 the population of Ontario.
Yeah.. I've had that same thought as well.. Especially when a few months ago when I was heading for lunch, all I saw was a bunch of firetrucks racing to go under that bridge. See, they're limiting the growth of the TPIA providers, and using "incompetence" as a shield. Brilliant Mr Nasir, bravo, you stunted their growth, and made money on the deal, with a cost increase.
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
join:2009-06-15
START&Cogeco
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said by elwoodblues:There is no distributel forum, at least not that I'm aware of....
Actually, there IS one for them at DSLR »Distributel Cable , but it is 'so busy' that AFAIK no posts were lost there when the Apocalypso hit the Array. |
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said by bt:said by the cerberus:Actually a few sentences before that they did claim there was "no evidence of delays", so if TSI can prove it, they will be caught in a lie.
Not quite what they said. They said no evidence was provided. It's weasel-lawyer talk for "We admit nothing until you can prove it." That's kind of like walking up to someone with a video camera in hand, in a security monitored building, punching them and then claiming to the cops "no evidence was provided", when you know everyone was recording what just happened, and that both parties have evidence.
Obviously both sides have records of upgrades that were ordered and delayed, and that congestion occurred.
Rogers is clearly caught in a lie. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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| No, they simply "misspoke",isn't that what all white collar criminals and politicians do these days?
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 milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | reply to resa1983
There's no actual criminal or economic punishment for lying to the CRTC, so anyone can lie as much as they want. And even if the CRTC were to go as far as to revoke the license of an offender, the process would be bogged down in the courts for so long, it would give the offender the opportunity to profit from their lies, potentially securing a monopoly in their field of expertise so that there would be no other choice for the consumer.
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| said by milnoc:There's no actual criminal or economic punishment for lying to the CRTC, so anyone can lie as much as they want.
+100 as we've seen oh so often at various hearings.  |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
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1 edit | reply to the cerberus
No, it's a delaying tactic. They want to force CNOC to go through the time and effort of actually proving it, rather than just admitting it. They know that CNOC probably has proof (there's always the chance of poor record keeping, no matter how slim), but don't intend to just "roll over" on the issue.
Rogers is clearly caught playing games, but not lying. It's totally semantics, but that's the way things like responses to the CRTC are. It's the interpretation that is technically correct that will be taken, and what Rogers said was technically correct - CNOC did not provide any evidence to support that claim. They didn't actually deny the claim was true, or deny that evidence exists.
You're choosing to read between the lines and interpret it as Rogers lying. I'm reading between the lines and interpret it as Rogers being difficult. |
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