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Re: FBI Wants Backdoors in Facebook, Skype and Instant Messaging said by Snowy:Right, so now back to the question, "Do you suggest FBI just give up?"
I tried to answer this already but I think my post went to /dev/null so I will go ahead and post again.
No, I do not think the FBI should give up. I just think they are going to have to adapt a bit. The fact of the matter is that strong crypto is already out of the tube and there ain't no putting it back in. Those are the facts. Short of outlawing all encryption (cannot be done due to 1st amendment issues) the FBI is always going to be unable to tap some communications. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
I don't care about Skype, personally, as I refuse to use a closed-source binary blob that is owned by Microsoft and doing no telling what behind the scenes. If you don't care about real security, then Skype is fine. But, the "bad guys" already know not to use it. We know the Austrian government has reported they can tap Skype successfully. If they can, you can bet the USA can.
My concern is they will force all start-ups to introduce backdoors into their software. This will stifle innovation and open all kinds of security holes. But what's worse is it wont work. There will always be ways to encrypt your communications end-to-end regardless of what your VoIP or IM provider allows.
I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that getting the plaintext is not always the most important thing. Sometimes knowing who is talking to whom can reveal a lot. There are ways to infiltrate criminal organizations without wiretapping. Wiretaps can be done locally to the target (his house, car etc.) The FBI is going to have to utilize some of these more old-fashioned methods.
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| said by KodiacZiller:said by Snowy:Right, so now back to the question, "Do you suggest FBI just give up?"
Wiretaps can be done locally to the target (his house, car etc.) The FBI is going to have to utilize some of these more old-fashioned methods. That's a fantastic post reply.
For one thing, it acknowledges that some communications truly need/deserve to be monitored.
The only thing I'd add to that is that trying to make Skype etc... eavesdropping friendly is about defining a specific target (person), IMO. |
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FYI
"But Caproni argued that law enforcement officials are occasionally running into cases where criminals are using online communication tools that aren’t wiretappable in real-time, because the provider had not built-in that capability. Caproni did not mention that the FBI has not encountered a single case of encryption hampering its criminal investigations for the past four years, according to reports to Congress, nor that the FBI has never run into a single case over the last 10 years where it could not get the plaintext of a target’s communications".......
"While there is a genuine problem with intercepting some communications, the FBI now has access to more
communications, and more metadata about communications, than ever before in history,” Landau said."
Link from OP link..."Going Dark” problem
So the problem as far as "they" are concerned is "REAL TIME" interception....and the area of most concern to illegal/unwarranted abuse too. |
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said by Snowy:said by StuartMW:Fair enough. You're free to believe whatever you want. Obviously you'll remain unconvinced unless someone shows you proof that it's being done (and in spite of some of these agencies public admissions). I hope that works out for you.
No, not fair enough. Where did I say that I do not believe abuse of authority does not occur? There's no question that abuses of authority occur. Landline wiretapping ability exists >> landline tapping has been abused by LE >> in retrospect, the ability for LE to tap landlines should never been approved.
LE has mistakenly shot & killed innocent bystanders >> LE should not carry firearms.How ridiculous can the conspiratheorist argument get? Stayed tuned... I think we are going to find out. 
Oh wait I think that was a UFO streaking by driven by a CIA guy illegally wearing a FBI jacket peering in my window as I type this. And not judge's order in sight either.
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