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themagicone

join:2003-08-13
Osseo, MN
reply to themagicone

Re: Weird lawnmower issue

Never buying a honda motor again. Nobody caries parts for them around me. I had to special order the dang air filter and that took almost 2 weeks. Ever hardware store around me has tons of parts for B n' S engines though.

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
said by themagicone:

Never buying a honda motor again. Nobody caries parts for them around me. I had to special order the dang air filter and that took almost 2 weeks. Ever hardware store around me has tons of parts for B n' S engines though.

when my friend messed up the carb on his 2 year old briggs (mixed oil with the gas) i just put a 20 year old carb from a spare mower on it, briggs parts are common over many years which is quite the blessing!


Jack_in_VA
Premium
join:2007-11-26
North, VA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Millenicom
said by telco_mtl:

when my friend messed up the carb on his 2 year old briggs (mixed oil with the gas) i just put a 20 year old carb from a spare mower on it, briggs parts are common over many years which is quite the blessing!

How would a little oil mixed in with the gas mess up the carb? Cleaning out the gas tank, carb and spark plug would correct the problem.

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
he used 10w30 in his mix didnt feel like cleaning the carb and gas tank, a few screws hold the entire assembly on the briggs, swapped it in 5 minutes, 5 minutes of my time is worth more than the work cleaning the gas tank and carb


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
reply to themagicone
Where do you live? Are you just dealing with box stores? (Home Depot, Walmart, Ace, Lowes, etc.)


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
reply to Jack_in_VA
said by Jack_in_VA:

said by telco_mtl:

when my friend messed up the carb on his 2 year old briggs (mixed oil with the gas) i just put a 20 year old carb from a spare mower on it, briggs parts are common over many years which is quite the blessing!

How would a little oil mixed in with the gas mess up the carb? Cleaning out the gas tank, carb and spark plug would correct the problem.

My thoughts exactly. That post seemed like a B&S commercial. In the automotive forums they bash Honda as well. I'd guess they have some kind of axe to grind with Honda. All engines (Honda, Kawasaki, B&S, Kohler, etc.) have negatives and positives.

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
said by Sennheizer:

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by telco_mtl:

when my friend messed up the carb on his 2 year old briggs (mixed oil with the gas) i just put a 20 year old carb from a spare mower on it, briggs parts are common over many years which is quite the blessing!

How would a little oil mixed in with the gas mess up the carb? Cleaning out the gas tank, carb and spark plug would correct the problem.

My thoughts exactly. That post seemed like a B&S commercial. In the automotive forums they bash Honda as well. I'd guess they have some kind of axe to grind with Honda. All engines (Honda, Kawasaki, B&S, Kohler, etc.) have negatives and positives.

I have no problems with honda they build an excellent engine, just the installed base for replacement parts isnt as big, so not as common. around here honda power equipment is sold through a few specialized retailers and you have to go out of your way to find them, a lot of the local shops wont touch them.


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
reply to themagicone
Between Partstree and the local dealer I've had very good luck with mower parts.

»www.partstree.com/parts/


neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL
Reviews:
·Bright House
reply to telco_mtl
said by telco_mtl:

I have no problems with honda they build an excellent engine, just the installed base for replacement parts isnt as big, so not as common. around here honda power equipment is sold through a few specialized retailers and you have to go out of your way to find them, a lot of the local shops wont touch them.

Honda parts are not normally stocked because they normally don't need service! LOL...

It almost sounds like the carb is not set right. The motor revs fine with no load, but put a load on it and it bogs and dies.

My B&S on my generator did this. You could rev the motor freely with no load on it. Hook a load to the generator, and the motor would try to open the governor, but bog down and die. Found out the idle jet was plugged. (I had rebuild the carb a few months before, but couldn't get the jet out at the time. Got pissed and pulled the carb off the motor hot and the jet came right out.) Replaced the jet and the unit runs fine... or ran fine... I haven't started it since December. (I have StaBil Marine in it though.)
--
"F is for Fire that burns down the whole town...
U is for Uranium...... Bombs...
N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton

iknow
Premium
join:2012-03-25
reply to themagicone
said by themagicone:

Never buying a honda motor again. Nobody caries parts for them around me. I had to special order the dang air filter and that took almost 2 weeks. Ever hardware store around me has tons of parts for B n' S engines though.

try a dealer, these do parts and service. there are so many in YOUR area. 8.0 miles
Map Beisswenger Hdwe
1823 Old Highway 8
New Brighton, MN 55112-6495
(651)633-1271

Sales and Service

11.8 miles
Map Grubers Power Equipment
1762 White Bear Ave N
Maplewood, MN 55109-3703
(651)770-7680

Sales and Service

3.3 miles
Map Honda Town
4215 E Lake St
Minneapolis, MN 55406-2288
(612)722-1110

Sales and Service

4.4 miles
Map Merriam Park Repair
444 Prior Ave N
Saint Paul, MN 55104-3421
(651)645-1443

Sales and Service

10.0 miles
Map Acme Tools
4150 Berkshire Ln N Ste 3
Plymouth, MN 55446-3813
(763)559-8665

Sales and Service

10.7 miles
Map Mills Fleet Farm
8400 Lakeland Ave N
Brooklyn Park, MN 55445-2163
(763)424-9668

Sales and Service

11.3 miles
Map Northern Tool & Equipment Co.
9411 Ulysses St Ne
Blaine, MN 55434-3568
(763)783-5746

Sales and Service

12.4 miles
Map Northern Tool & Equipment Co.
17505 Highway 7
Minnetonka, MN 55345-3338
(952)931-0292

Sales and Service

12.5 miles
Map Mills Fleet Farm
10250 Lexington Ave Ne
Circle Pines, MN 55014-1879
(763)785-4647

Sales and Service

13.5 miles
Map Northern Tool & Equipment Co.
12205 River Ridge Blvd
Burnsville, MN 55337-1607
(952)894-0326

Sales and Service

14.7 miles
Map Fleet Farm
5635 Hadley Ave N
Oakdale, MN 55128-1202
(651)779-7725

Sales and Service

14.8 miles
Map Northern Tool & Equipment Co.
1480 Weir Dr Ste 100
Woodbury, MN 55125-1207
(651)714-1233

Sales and Service

17.9 miles
Map Frontier Ag & Turf
2925 145th St W
Rosemount, MN 55068-4915
(651)423-2274

Sales and Service

19.3 miles
Map Mills Fleet Farm
17070 Kenrick Ave
Lakeville, MN 55044-9581
(952)435-3832

Sales and Service

20.0 miles
Map Northern Tool & Equipment Co.
20850 Rogers Dr
Rogers, MN 55374-9190
(763)428-4070

Sales and Service

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Sennheizer
said by Sennheizer:

In the automotive forums they bash Honda as well. I'd guess they have some kind of axe to grind with Honda.

Nope. It's just that Honda stuff is way overrated stuff. Average at best but people think Honda's $hit doesn't stink. But it stinks just as bad as everyone else's.


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
said by itguy05:

said by Sennheizer:

In the automotive forums they bash Honda as well. I'd guess they have some kind of axe to grind with Honda.

Nope. It's just that Honda stuff is way overrated stuff. Average at best but people think Honda's $hit doesn't stink. But it stinks just as bad as everyone else's.

It's better then some and worse then others. It's better then low-end B&S/Kohler in this case and worse then Kawasaki.

themagicone

join:2003-08-13
Osseo, MN
reply to iknow
None of those places carry the parts in stock. Trust me I tried.


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
said by themagicone:

None of those places carry the parts in stock. Trust me I tried.

That's pretty bad. I can hit a dealer and get almost anything for any type of small engine here. So far even off the wall parts have been in stock when I go there. If it's really that bad there then I don't blame you for moving to another brand.

iknow
Premium
join:2012-03-25
reply to themagicone
said by themagicone:

None of those places carry the parts in stock. Trust me I tried.

WOW, now how could they possibly stay in business if they don't carry parts in stock, and they need 2 weeks to get them? wouldn't that brand be gone? if someone drops a mower off to be fixed, and they say it'll take 2 weeks to fix, because we don't have the parts, they are going to outright say to them, that's insane!. maybe it's just those dealers in your state, but i can't see all honda dealers doing that. it don't make any sense!.


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
said by iknow:

said by themagicone:

None of those places carry the parts in stock. Trust me I tried.

WOW, now how could they possibly stay in business if they don't carry parts in stock, and they need 2 weeks to get them? wouldn't that brand be gone? if someone drops a mower off to be fixed, and they say it'll take 2 weeks to fix, because we don't have the parts, they are going to outright say to them, that's insane!. maybe it's just those dealers in your state, but i can't see all honda dealers doing that. it don't make any sense!.

My thoughts exactly. The dealer can get any parts they don't have the within 24-48 hours just like you could ordering them online yourself. I don't buy all the dealers have insane lead times like that for a second. The good news is it doesn't matter to me since the dealers here always have what I want or can get it the next day. I can't imagine they make a ton on a $4 part for a person who they might do $20-30 a year in business with is worth next day service but they do it anyways! I couldn't imagine dealing with box stores for parts. Ick!


cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
said by Sennheizer:

The dealer can get any parts they don't have the within 24-48 hours just like you could ordering them online yourself. I don't buy all the dealers have insane lead times like that for a second.

It's not that they have insane lead times, it's that everyone would balk at paying the $20 extra for express shipping to get it there in 24-48 hours. The only people that are going to pay that are the commercial guys whose equipment down time means profit down time.

themagicone

join:2003-08-13
Osseo, MN
reply to themagicone
Well like I said all the local service centers (non-branded, small motor repair) won't touch honda's. I finally ordered the parts online but 2 weeks later I still haven't seen anything. Now if I had a B&S engine, I go walk a mile to 3 different hardware stores and have what ever I needed. All of them have a wall dedicated to them.


Sennheizer

join:2012-05-14
reply to cdru
said by cdru:

said by Sennheizer:

The dealer can get any parts they don't have the within 24-48 hours just like you could ordering them online yourself. I don't buy all the dealers have insane lead times like that for a second.

It's not that they have insane lead times, it's that everyone would balk at paying the $20 extra for express shipping to get it there in 24-48 hours. The only people that are going to pay that are the commercial guys whose equipment down time means profit down time.

Even that is crazy. The 2 dealers I use both have daily deliveries so there is no charge for getting something fast. If I'm lucky I can call right before they close at like 4 pm in the afternoon and they can get it into the order for the next day. I can then pick up the part at 9 am the next day. I guess some dealer's aren't up to the same standards as others.

iknow
Premium
join:2012-03-25
reply to themagicone
said by themagicone:

Well like I said all the local service centers (non-branded, small motor repair) won't touch honda's. I finally ordered the parts online but 2 weeks later I still haven't seen anything. Now if I had a B&S engine, I go walk a mile to 3 different hardware stores and have what ever I needed. All of them have a wall dedicated to them.

as far as Honda dealers, it must be your state, maybe the "buy american" attitude. but, look at all those dealers in your state, and local to you, too.. maybe commercial users are the only one's supposed to have the better engines?. could be..