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Davesnothere
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Re: DSLR Restore Progress

said by IamGimli:

said by Chuckcar_t:

....Note: Always remember to do incremental backups no matter who you are !

You really should get a clue about the topic at hand before you go mouthing off about what other people should do. Right now, you just sound like a complete and utter tool.

 
But this time he makes a good point (amongst the other stuff).

There simply is NO GOOD EXCUSE/REASON for not making periodic backups to an alternate geographical location, especially if other folks depend upon you or your site !

(and by periodic, I DO NOT mean once every 2 years in which case DSLR wasn't due until September, eh ? )

Even once per month would have been a dramastic improvement over what just happened.

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whats wrong with making backups? i just did one yesturday... cost me $1 in media



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Wouldn't once a week, or even every day at midnight be necessary for a site with this volume?
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@ El Quintron & Paolo :

Absolutely, but I was just making a general point regarding relative severity.

Incremental backups once daily at about 5 AM Eastern time might be optimal.

And now, having said all of that, I really ought to back up some more of my OWN personal stuff right away.



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said by Davesnothere:

 
And having said all of that, I really ought to back up some more of my OWN stuff right away.

An easy way to prevent a catastrophe that I've found, is by keeping your datas and OSes on separate drives, at least that way if one drive goes you're not completely screwed.
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said by El Quintron:

An easy way to prevent a catastrophe that I've found, is by keeping your datas and OSes on separate drives, at least that way if one drive goes you're not completely screwed.

 
....which of course is not the Windoze default setting.

I do keep some of my data on other physical drives, even better on other PCs across my LAN, and/or on external USB hard drives.

But there is some with which I have been complacent and need to catch up - docs, bookmarks, & downloaded web pages - all of which default to C: .
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said by Davesnothere:

....which of course is not the Windoze default setting.

Of course not... which is silly because both Linux and OS X separate the OS from the Data by default... even if they don't go all the way by using separate partions, recovery is substantially easier.

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said by Davesnothere:

said by IamGimli:

said by Chuckcar_t:

....Note: Always remember to do incremental backups no matter who you are !

You really should get a clue about the topic at hand before you go mouthing off about what other people should do. Right now, you just sound like a complete and utter tool.

 
But this time he makes a good point (amongst the other stuff).

No he doesn't. Incremental backups are notoriously unreliable as a general rule, and rarely ever work for database backups.

Full system backups or, even better, continuous sector-based shadow copy of the volumes are much more robust, reliable backup technologies when used in conjunction with the appropriate database agents.

None of that would have helped anyway in this case unless it was combined with off-site storage of those backups as there's very little backups can help with when a power outage takes out the storage arrays where those backups are stored and prevents them from being usable.

Hence my comment he should get a clue before telling anyone how to run their backups.


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said by IamGimli:

Hence my comment he should get a clue before telling anyone how to run their backups.

I don't think the term "incremental backup" was the right term to use, but the spirit of what s/he was saying is backups could have avoided this mess.
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I think they had database backups, problem is they were on the same storage array which was the biggest blunder I think.
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said by El Quintron:

said by IamGimli:

Hence my comment he should get a clue before telling anyone how to run their backups.

 
I don't think the term "incremental backup" was the right term to use, but the spirit of what s/he was saying is backups could have avoided this mess.

 
So now we're haggling over the size of the increment, are we ?

I do happen to understand the term 'incremental', and was posting on the basis that the rest of us did too, including Chuck.

I was also posting on the basis that there DID need to exist a primary complete backup to which to apply the increments, and that we all knew that too.

YOUR point (Gimli) though is important to me, as in principle I also prefer full backups, as they are easier to safely and successfully administrate.

But given the circumstances that it looked as though there was NO full 'off-primary-media' backup, ANYTHING further might have proven to be better than what we seem to have so far.


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said by HiVolt:

I think they had database backups, problem is they were on the same storage array which was the biggest blunder I think.

I figured as much... my PCs get backed up to my NAS, and my Data is stored on separate drives than the OS on each individual PC...

Which solves two issues; if the OS fails, then I can re-install the OS while keeping the data, and if the whole thing were to melt down then I'd have the Data on my NAS.

It's the best low-maintenance homebrew solution I can think of.
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said by HiVolt:

I think they had database backups, problem is they were on the same storage array which was the biggest blunder I think.

 
Yes, and if true, also an expensive one, on many levels.

I'm curious however, just how long that a FULL backup of a site and database of DSLR's pre-apocalypsoh size would take to do ?

And as such, how frequently it would be practical to perform one with the site up and running 24-7 ?

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said by El Quintron:

...Which solves two issues; if the OS fails, then I can re-install the OS while keeping the data, and if the whole thing were to melt down then I'd have the Data on my NAS.

It's the best low-maintenance homebrew solution I can think of.

 
Dat's NAS ! (pun intended)


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said by Davesnothere:

Dat's NAS ! (pun intended)

LOL I can see your punny-ness wasn't lost with DSLr's data!
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said by IamGimli:

No he doesn't. Incremental backups are notoriously unreliable as a general rule, and rarely ever work for database backups.

Full system backups or, even better, continuous sector-based shadow copy of the volumes are much more robust, reliable backup technologies when used in conjunction with the appropriate database agents.

None of that would have helped anyway in this case unless it was combined with off-site storage of those backups as there's very little backups can help with when a power outage takes out the storage arrays where those backups are stored and prevents them from being usable.

Hence my comment he should get a clue before telling anyone how to run their backups.

^^ what he said.
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