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Guspaz
Guspaz
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reply to elwoodblues

Re: Hard Drive Deals

Hitachi drives have a good reputation for quality. According to Backblaze, a backup provider with at the time over 9000 drives (they should be well over double that by now), in the middle of last year they said:

said by Backblaze :

We are constantly looking at new hard drives, evaluating them for reliability and power consumption. The Hitachi 3TB drive (Hitachi Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3030ALA630) is our current favorite for both its low power demand and astounding reliability. The Western Digital and Seagate equivalents we tested saw much higher rates of popping out of RAID arrays and drive failure. Even the Western Digital Enterprise Hard Drives had the same high failure rates. The Hitachi drives, on the other hand, perform wonderfully.

Elsewhere in that blog post, they said that their non-Hitachi drives saw about a 5% per year failure rate, while the Hitachi drives were at under 1% failure rate. And these are consumer drives.

Now, experience with one particular model of drive doesn't necessarily extend to all drives from a company, but it does go to show that Hitachi does have some good stuff.
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donoreo
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reply to Anav

said by Anav:

said by vue666:

Crucial M4 Micron C400 SSD 256GB
$189

»www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60446···oid=1146

Raise you a Memory Express Take on the issue for $159.

»www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33418

That is getting down to where I might pull the trigger soon. It seems the price break on SSDs is at the 256 size, anything above that is a lot more expensive.
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FaxCap

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reply to elwoodblues
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB $89.99

»www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010···oid=1258

I know this is a hard drive thread but I can't help mentioning NCIX's
Intel Core i7 3770 sale price of $279.99.....that's $50 off.

»www.ncix.com/products/?sku=70539···oid=1258

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c2roth
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I'm glad to see that slow and steady decline of the 2TB price. That NCIX sale you referenced is the first time I've seen $89.99 for a 2TB since pre-flood. Too bad the WDC Greens are not following as closely behind, those Seagate as getting such poor reviews in terms of longevity and DOAs.



Gone
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The new Seagates aren't bad, it was just that their reputation was murdered by the whole 7200.11 fiasco and head parking issues with the Baracuda LP, though for what it's worth that same issue affected the WD Green, too.



donoreo
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said by Gone:

The new Seagates aren't bad, it was just that their reputation was murdered by the whole 7200.11 fiasco and head parking issues with the Baracuda LP, though for what it's worth that same issue affected the WD Green, too.

The 7200.11 was fixed by firmware, non? I have several and never had a problem with them.


Gone
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Yes, but if the drive pooched out before the firmware update you were SOL.

When it comes to hard drive issues, people seem to have inordinately long memories. The whole 75GXP fiasco 10 or so years ago lead to IBM dumping its entire hard drive division in shame, which is rather amusing since Hitachi drives are turning out to be some of the best on the market right now.



donoreo
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said by Gone:

Yes, but if the drive pooched out before the firmware update you were SOL.

When it comes to hard drive issues, people seem to have inordinately long memories. The whole 75GXP fiasco 10 or so years ago lead to IBM dumping its entire hard drive division in shame, which is rather amusing since Hitachi drives are turning out to be some of the best on the market right now.

I had at work two of those in 30 GB size. They were awesome drives except for the failure.
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elwoodblues
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reply to Gone

said by Gone:

Yes, but if the drive pooched out before the firmware update you were SOL.

When it comes to hard drive issues, people seem to have inordinately long memories. The whole 75GXP fiasco 10 or so years ago lead to IBM dumping its entire hard drive division in shame, which is rather amusing since Hitachi drives are turning out to be some of the best on the market right now.

YES the Deathstars!

LOL

Then the Kalok drives which were pure trash.
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Gone
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reply to donoreo

said by donoreo:

I had at work two of those in 30 GB size. They were awesome drives except for the failure.

Yup, and that's partially the reason why IBM was murdered over it. The 75GXP was the fastest drive on the market at the time and were primarily purchased by enthusiasts. Glowing reviews from all the usual review sites, etc etc. Then they started failing all at the same time en masse. To say that the backlash was epic would be an epic understatement in itself. Needless to say, IBM never recovered and sold the entire division to Hitachi.

GoRaptors

join:2011-07-22
London, ON

reply to elwoodblues
Any good quality SSD drive deals in the $50/$60 budget range?
Super thanks in advance! :P! ! All I'm able 2 afford at the moment!
Cheers! :P! ! Greatly appreciated!


pegcitynet

join:2009-09-02

reply to Gone
EDIT:

**I think I'm confusing the 7200.11's with the Deathstars**

I had purchased a whole bunch of the 500GB version of the "Deathstars", and only one of them ever failed on me.

I've still got a few of them running on various old systems that *knock on wood* haven't failed yet! However, none of them have been used to run a Windows O/S partition.

The one that failed was the root on an XP box. My boss had one fail in the same circumstance, and the ones that he was running as storage survived.

So I wonder if there were exigent factors that engendered the failures.



elwoodblues
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reply to elwoodblues
If anyone wants to purchase a 2TB WD USB powered Drive, you can get it for $130 with a coupon I have.

Staples actually wants $219 but will price match, so NCIX is selling it for $180 less a $50 off coupon I have.

PM me and I'll send you the link.



Guspaz
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reply to elwoodblues
Indeed, the Deathstar was the IBM Deskstar 75GXP, a 75 gigabyte glass platter hard drive from 2001, although other GXP models from the same era had similarly high failure rates.

Further compounding the issue was IBM's behaviour, which is ultimately what tanked the division requiring the sale, not the drive failures themselves.

Publicly, IBM refused to acknowledge that there were any issues with the drives whatsoever, claiming they were seeing industry standard failure rates. They kept on claiming this up until the court case produced internal memos showing that IBM was perfectly aware of an abnormally high 6% failure rate, but continued selling the drives anyhow while lying to consumers about the problems, trying (and failing) to fix the issue through firmware updates. They even tried to implement wear levelling on the things, which you'd ordinarily only see on endurance-limited media like flash. IBM eventually settled and paid $100 to anybody who had suffered a drive failure.

Had they pulled the drives from the market and made right by their customers when they realized the drives were incredibly unreliable, they would have largely been forgiven and the issue would have been forgotten. Instead, their continual insistence that nothing was wrong followed by court documents proving they were lying to consumers destroyed their reputation. Hence why many people still remember the nickname of an otherwise unremarkable hard drive over a decade later. The IBM Deathstar.

EDIT: It also didn't help that the IBM Deathstar was up until that point seen as a premium product line that justifiably commanded a higher price than the competition.
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Davesnothere
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join:2009-06-15
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reply to elwoodblues
 
THIS :

»www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/id/···_10_year

3 TB for $120



elwoodblues
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I saw that, USB2 5400rpm drive and you need a brick to power it.

No thanks.

Davesnothere
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said by elwoodblues:

I saw that, USB2 5400rpm drive and you need a brick to power it.

No thanks.

 
Budget storage/backup, and/or you could gut it and make the drive an internal on a desktop PC.

But they seem sold out online, so for ME, that would mean a $40 drive to the nearest BB store.

Nahhhh....

Besides, I have something like 3 TB of unused storage among 3 drives here anyway.


milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
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reply to Guspaz
At least after the sale of the division to Hitachi, things improved. I've purchased quite a few 1 TB Hitachi Deskstar drives for various machines and only experienced a single *possible* failure. It was a consumer grade drive installed in a Linux RAID system, so it might have been just a minor glitch. I haven't checked the drive for actual errors yet.

The drive in my computer at home has been running almost constantly for about 3 years. I prefer to go with Hitachi drives because they're so quiet compared with Western Digital drives which can make a bit of a racket. Not good in an HTPC set-up.
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elwoodblues
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reply to Davesnothere
Granted if I do see a good deal I do buy it and rip the drive out of the case

I'm still a few months away from needing more storage re-encoding all my DVD's to h264 freed up a ton of space.



vue666
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join:2007-12-07
Halifax, NS

reply to elwoodblues
Just picked up a 2TB Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex USb 3.0 at Best Buy in Bangor, Maine on Thursday. On sale for $83 (USA)...

Since I'm using it as an external on a Linux (Zorin - »www.zorin-os.com/ ) I reckon I'll have to reformat as ext2 or ext3 as there is no way (that I know) to defrag NTFS drives from Linux...

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