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Re: Hard Drive Deals said by EUS:1TB is nothing when you back up your SD DVD's before your kids get their grubby little fingers on them, and/or drop them on the floor where they get scratched.
DVD's on h-drive, upscaled to 1080(i?) through WD TV, = no need to repurchase HD versions, or stream a movie I've already purchased.
Saving my DVD's and $$ is not "hoarding", which is why I jumped on the 3TB Seagate sale the other week.
It's called RAID. |
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canada | RAID, non-RAID, doesn't matter, I'm just explaining to someone their way of using media is not everyone's way.
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said by Guspaz:The Momentus XT originally launched with 2GB of flash, but yeah, you're right, 8GB right now. It was never 2GB. There's only been two models - the 4GB read-only version that was available in 250 and 500, and the 8GB read/write version that's 750GB.
said by Guspaz:That said, it's still a sub-optimal solution. Performance is only SSD-like for stuff that gets cached in the small space available, so frequently done stuff will be. The moment you try to do anything outside your normal routine, or which involves larger data sets, performance is like an HDD. Intel's own testing has found that 20GB is the 'sweet spot' of sorts for a caching solution in front of a traditional magnetic drive, and this is the size that they have chosen for their own drives specifically optimized for their caching solutions. While Seagate's setup is half of that number, it is still pretty decent and the benchmarks show that while it isn't as good as a full-blown SRT setup using a 20-60GB cache drive, it's still far better than a local hard drive. With the 4GB models the biggest issue was that it didn't cache writes, only reads - not that you really had enough space for both.
said by Guspaz:The hybrid approach Apple is taking, where they pair up something like 128GB of Flash with a regular disk, is better. In that case they basically work entirely off the SSD, giving completely SSD performance, and then they migrate seldom-accessed and bulk-storage files to the HDD at idle times. As in, they don't cache, they move. 8GB isn't enough to do that. ... you mean Intel is taking, right? It's called SRT. There's also Dataplex who do something similar to SRT but at the software level. Apple's setup is more like what Marvel is doing with their caching systems to merge the drives and then move around data as needed rather than basing the storage on the hard drive and caching what's used most frequently (to which, having used both, Intel's system is far superior to the merged "hybrid" system that Marvel is using, and if Apple's is anything like that it will suck in comparison), but it's by no means something unique to Apple - not by a long shot, I have the exact same thing using a 60GB SSD caching my data drive in my desktop PC right now along with a dedicated 120GB program/boot drive.
Apple would have been better off to go with SRT. Their own system, at least based on the way it's described and based on my own experience with similar systems in the PC world, is retarded by comparison.
said by Guspaz:Confusingly, Seagate is using SLC, even though you don't need SLC for this sort of thing if you've got a good controller behind it. What would be more interesting would be a Seagate drive with a significant amount of space (say, 30 to 80 gigs) and a decent SSD controller, where the SSD is the primary storage rather than a cache, and seldom-accessed blocks are moved to the magnetic disk at idle time on the block level (as opposed to the file level, like Apple does). That could be something REALLY interesting. Intel themselves recommend SLC due to read/write cycles, not garbage issues. Intel's cache solution - the 20GB 311 - is SLC, not MLC. I use a Sandforce-based MLC drive with my own SRT setup. It works very well.
Edit - yeah, exactly as I suspected, Apple Fusion Drive is identical to Marvel HyperDuo. It's not a full caching solution, instead applications that are frequently accessed are moved to the SSD where they remain, while everything else remains on - and is accessed from - the magnetic hard drive. Intel's SRT is a far more elegant solution that uses LBA tracking to cache individual parts of the frequently-accessed portion of a magnetic disk or RAID array on the SSD, and has been on the market for years. Seagate's hybrid drives function on the same level, though the pre-750s only did this for reads rather than writes. Of course, Apple is marketing the hell out of Fusion Drive to sucker people into thinking that it's some sort of amazing technological innovation for desktop computing despite being inferior to Intel SRT which has been on the market for two years now, not to mention Marvel HyperDuo which is identical and has been around for at least one year. Nice.  |
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said by donoreo:said by Hydraglass:(I don't bother keeping the .NEF raw stuff except for very few "precious" photos that I might want the option of reprocessing various ways... most things - the 13mp JPG file is fine for...) - so again - I just can't fathom even filling 1TB, letalone 2, 3, or 30 TB anytime in the next several years.
I am the opposite. I only keep the RAW files. I have the current year on my computer, backed up to a NAS, and the previous years on another NAS. I've got a 1TB file nearly full of digital photos I've taken. I shot in raw then process to a TIFF and save another copy as a JPG for my online gallery and Flickr... |
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Well since the xt is not the primary and will be basically a storage device I sprung for the 500gig at the low price which is decent for a 500gig 2.5 inch hard drive anyway. I will put the extra $50 into the main SSD drive. |
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| said by Anav:Well since the xt is not the primary and will be basically a storage device I sprung for the 500gig at the low price which is decent for a 500gig 2.5 inch hard drive anyway. I will put the extra $50 into the main SSD drive. The 500GB XT is still one one of the fastest 2.5" hard drives on the market. You'll be very happy with it, it's just that the 750 is that much better. |
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said by vue666:said by donoreo:said by Hydraglass:(I don't bother keeping the .NEF raw stuff except for very few "precious" photos that I might want the option of reprocessing various ways... most things - the 13mp JPG file is fine for...) - so again - I just can't fathom even filling 1TB, letalone 2, 3, or 30 TB anytime in the next several years.
I am the opposite. I only keep the RAW files. I have the current year on my computer, backed up to a NAS, and the previous years on another NAS. I've got a 1TB file nearly full of digital photos I've taken. I shot in raw then process to a TIFF and save another copy as a JPG for my online gallery and Flickr... Since I use Lightroom, I only keep RAW and export as needed. I export directly to Flickr and it then deletes the local jpg created.
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vue666I'm in the prime of my senilityPremium
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Halifax, NS | I have another 1TB hard drive that is nearly full of digital paintings and 3D renderings...
I ordered a Seagate 3TB on Friday from NCIX and it arrived Monday... Fast service... |
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I cannot seem to find a reasonably priced 4gig stick of PC2-6400 200pin DDR2 SDRAM. (800Mhz, unbuffered, non-parity)??? |
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said by Guspaz:The Momentus XT has 4GB of flash. At launch, the newer ones didn't do write caching, although the word was it would eventually come in a firmware update (no clue if it did).
They're not bad drives, but they're nowhere remotely as good as something Apple's Fusion or similar technologies. 4GB of flash isn't enough to do much, and their approach to caching isn't ideal.
True. You need at least 30 or 40 GB to make it useful.
A 500GB drive with 4GB of flash is like drinking de-alcohilized beer and expecting to feel something.
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| said by J E F F:True. You need at least 30 or 40 GB to make it useful. No you don't. You only need 10-20GB for LBA caching like what Intel SRT, Dataplex and Momentus XT do to be useful and anything beyond that provides very diminished returns. Intel themselves recommend 20GB and a lot of new laptops are coming with 16-24GB cache SSDs in front of a much larger hard drive.
A different concept called tiering needs more, typically 60-100GB as full applications and critical parts of the OS are stored in their entirity on the SSD. This is what Apple and Marvell use. |
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North York, ON | reply to elwoodblues
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$99
»www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as···nctionCA
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Mississauga, ON | What are you going on about? There is literally 3,000,000,000 bytes available to you. That's 3GB. Just because Windows reports it differently doesn't mean it isn't that high.
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1 edit | Ah, I totally got that last post wrong.
I should be going on about how I'm being advertised a 3TB drive that isn't, it's 2.7TB. I'm missing 300GB, but as I'm a moron, and screwed the pooch on that last post, I'll leave well enough alone.
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More sales on the Intel 330:
180GB for $90 (with MIR): »www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/···csid=_61
240GB for $140 (no MIR): »www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as···20167127
The 240GB is a fantastic deal considering that's what-you-pay, no rebates involved. And if you trust rebates, the 180GB is a fantastic deal too.
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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kudos:3 | Yup picked up the 240 tonight as the 180 at newegg for 104 was sold out. Yeah I dont go by rebates mail in, its instant or nothing.
Also, an icy dock ssd converter from newegg (on sale for $17) and went el cheapo on a sata to pata tray for the optical drive bay for the xt momentus 500 ($14) (via hde at amazon.ca). Now only two things left for my shopping, a. cheapest 4gig stick of ram pc 6400 ddr2 200 pin, and the sony pj710 camcorder. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
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The Intel 330 240GB on NewEgg is the retail model, it comes with the SSD adapter tray already.
I'm so tempted to buy two of them to upgrade my 2x180GB Intel 330s, but I wouldn't know what to do with my 180s (or who to sell them to). Still it would be very nice to get the extra 120GB bump in capacity!
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NCIX. Intel 330 Series 180GB 2.5IN SSD MLC 25nm SATA3 Solid State Disk Drive Retail Maple Crest $108.99 No MIR or instant rebates. Limit 5/customer. Free shipping.
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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kudos:3 | ALready got the 240 but thanks DKS (and do like the free shipping). As for the tray, I have read from user feedback on ease of use in the IMac for the icydock, not sure if the intel one would be a good fit. Knowing it came with one I might have held back but oh well, I have two others in the family with macbook pros (standard HDD) so the tray will be used eventually 
Which brings up more SSD potential purchases. Assuming they (macbook pros) have sata connected optical drives, would it be viable to put the intels into the optical drive slot and load the OS on it?? |
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