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urbanriot
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join:2004-10-18
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reply to Devanchya

Re: [Rant] Resumes - looking for Employee's

said by Devanchya:

I have found 2-3 people who were prefect for the job but were passed over because they were unable to back up their certification.

Hah! Welcome to the long running joke of "industry standard IT certifications". Since the late 90's, those of us in IT used to joke about the uselessness of people that proclaimed their "Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer" status.

I went through the trouble to be an MCT (Microsoft Certified Trainer) many moons ago and maintained it until a few years back as they've made it so any idiot can teach. Since then, I care not for certifications and I'm sure I don't have enough fingers to count how many have lapsed over the last few years.

said by Devanchya:

If you have the MCP on your resume, I expect you to know what a REG-DWORD is...

Hah, your requirements are certainly more stringent than mine.

Back in the 90's I had a good routine that involved a test system and expect a hiree to associate registry keys in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services with their associated services in services.msc and spot services, by registry key, that didn't belong. Bonus points if they didn't look at DisplayName.

Surprisingly, many young folks got it and those that didn't, they requested a chance to interview again a few days later since they went home and learned.

These days... I doubt I'd find anyone that recognized the keys.

More than a decade ago, my best, longest lasting employees came to me as high school co-op students. As Warez_Zealot suggests, perhaps it's better to loser your baseline or at least change your prerequisites and go for someone who's smart rather than certified, and then train them to do what you want them to do.

In 1997, the Windows NT Resource Kit was required reading for all new employees and I'd quiz them on its difficult topics. Back then, the resource kit was highly technical and rather overwhelming; today the Windows 7 Resource Kit is light bathroom reading.


nitzguy
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join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

said by IamGimli:

said by Devanchya:

But I can't stand is someone who puts a Certificate on their resume and then can't back up the certification with knowledge. I have found 2-3 people who were prefect for the job but were passed over because they were unable to back up their certification.

That's what a certification is, a way to convince someone that you know something you don't.

If I was you I'd stop asking for certification and start requesting samples of previous work code instead.

Certifications to me, were that you "read the book" and "took a test", but outside of that have no real world skills.

There are people who spend their entire lifetime getting certifications, so it looks great on paper.

NitzyGuy, I also got my MCP is on NT WS and Server(boy that dates me), the days of the multiple guess questions.

....Well, it dates me too, except mine was part of the "New" Adaptive testing...not that it was extremely difficult.....unfortunately the Network Essentials part of the MCSE tripped me up and I never finished but still have my MCP card...I carry it around with me for nostalgia purposes...reminds me of how things have changed so much....

I did have hands on training though...again, back in the 1998-1999 days....its all completely useless now...but I can read and learn....even Windows 7 for all of its GUI type nonsense....

Thank you for the lesson on Appwiz....I had completely forgotten about cpl's....I thought in the Windows 7 world they had disappeared....I'm still stubbornly holding onto XP and I do have a Vista laptop...

All it was, was a way for me to get a foot in the door in all honesty, I didn't expect to land into a job making 40-50k/year as a 22 year old...I started at $9.50, then in 2000 proceeded from contract to contract (the year of 4 jobs) at roughly $15-$17/hr...which was not bad considering...

Anywho, I just have to get motivated to learn some of this stuff again as I feel really rusty....

Robrr

join:2008-04-19
Guelph, ON
reply to Warez_Zealot
said by Warez_Zealot:

Last Oct, I had 2 interviews with JETRO in Toronto. They lied to me after and said they hired someone else. I just noticed today that almost a year later, they are still posting this position for some reason. (When they clearly have no intention of filling it.)

Are you sure it is not just a matter that the company posts fr the job all year round and then keeps a file of whom they do see as viable candidates for the position that they can call upon if an opening does become available?

Warez_Zealot

join:2006-04-19
Vancouver

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said by Robrr:

said by Warez_Zealot:

Last Oct, I had 2 interviews with JETRO in Toronto. They lied to me after and said they hired someone else. I just noticed today that almost a year later, they are still posting this position for some reason. (When they clearly have no intention of filling it.)

Are you sure it is not just a matter that the company posts fr the job all year round and then keeps a file of whom they do see as viable candidates for the position that they can call upon if an opening does become available?

Dunno. I just assumed the racist bastards are just waiting for a Japanese Canadian to apply. (They are "basically" an all Japanese office as they told me.*including the secretaries*) The fact they brought me in for 2 interviews and hit it off just to not hire me was really perplexing.

Anyhow, my point is that the fella from the article is speaking the truth. Since I've returned to Canada, the employers are very disrespectful of applicants, their time, money, and their hopes.

I'm just glad my observations were correct. I've been gainfully employed my whole life up until October 2011 when I returned to Canada, and have an MA. Now I can't find squat.

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"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X