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ZZZZZZZ
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PARADISE
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Be aware of Avira problems

»www.net-security.org/secworld.ph···urity%29
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~~Get our troops home...now!!~~


Oregonian
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West Linn, OR

Yikes!



Pentangle
With our thoughts we make the world.
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Vancouver BC
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reply to ZZZZZZZ
So it's not just Avast that periodically manages to disable millions of computers. MSE for me.


KoRnGtL15
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Grants Pass, OR

reply to ZZZZZZZ
This should be moved to the security forums for many others will be well aware. Avira has really dropped the ball big time. They just had a previous major screw up that took them a month to fix.


Mele20
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Hilo, HI
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reply to ZZZZZZZ
It was fixed by Avira at 5:15AM today.

»forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?pa···D=144940

I didn't see any threads about computers not booting or Windows critical files being deleted at Avira forums. I saw threads about third party programs being blocked by the ProActiv component after an update yesterday but that is now fixed. Nasty bug though whether or not any Windows critical files were involved.

Avira free version was not affected because it does not have ProActiv component. I was unaware of this problem as I use Avira 8 free version and had not checked their forums in two days.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson



SkinnyTom

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reply to Pentangle
We currently use K7. So far so good, but update disasters can happen with any AV. In the recent past our networks were crippled by faulty Avira and Avast updates, and years ago by a faulty Norman update.



Oregonian
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I hate that Norman anti-virus!



NormanS
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said by Oregonian:

I hate that Norman anti-virus!

I'll see what I can do; I will get right on it!
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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jabarnut
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Galaxy M31
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reply to ZZZZZZZ
Hey, it happens to the best of them.
Probably messed something up while in the process of testing a virus they had written, so their AV products could detect it the future.
If the malware out there doesn't get you, some of the products designed to protect you from them will eventually get ya' for sure.
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I had a life once.....now I have a Computer and a Modem.


art22gg
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Courtenay, BC
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reply to Mele20
Mele,
I thought you had dumped Avira in favor of G-Data AV? as I recall you were quite enamored with it...or has your opinion changed..


Mele20
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I like GData very much and I plan to trial it when I get a new computer (and remove a 15 month McAfee that will come on it). I think it should work great on Win 7 with 12GB RAM. On the XP Pro virtual machine with only 1GB RAM it began to slow it down too much. But I would be surprised if that happens on a new Ivy Bridge i7 processor, new OS, lots of RAM, Win 7 machine. I thought before I tried it that it might really slow down that virtual machine but I wanted to see what the GUI was like and how configurable it is, etc.

Thank goodness Avira 8 and 9 are still being updated as both are great on older machines like mine limited by the mobo to only 2GB RAM.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson



siljaline
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reply to ZZZZZZZ
H-Online has more. The Avira Boards have notes.



norwegian
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Outback
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reply to ZZZZZZZ

I can't believe the bad run they are having with this engine. I have had nothing but trouble with Avira for at least a year now on various systems/platforms, and then to read this happened. I know all the vendors have had issues with system files, it is nothing new. But to inject a problem like this on top of obvious other problems, sounds like a sit down and hard discussion on what they want from this product and how they want to apply it to the user base; because for now I've stopped using the product on all computers it was on.

Good luck in the future and I hope some of it's previous glory can be resurrected.
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DarkSithPro

join:2005-02-12
Tempe, AZ
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reply to ZZZZZZZ
When your Anti-Virus becomes the virus. There has been a few previous threads about how ineffective AV's are. Like the experts have said, they don't use AV's in the traditional sense like the other computer illiterate dummies do. It's a proactive approach that requires discipline and the know how. If you know what you're really doing and use the tools, updates and services you have at your disposal do you really need the traditional Antivirus?



KodiacZiller
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said by DarkSithPro:

If you know what you're really doing and use the tools, updates and services you have at your disposal do you really need the traditional Antivirus?

I would say no you don't need them. They should only be there for "on demand" and not as a defensive measure. Too many people rely on AV as the first line of defense (often as the only line), when it should be the last line.

The problem with AV software is it needs kernel access to operate, and when you introduce a bunch of code to the kernel you are opening up that many more places for there to be a security breach. It would be just as easy to find a buffer overflow, for instance, in AV software as it would be in any other kind of kernel process. And your box would be owned either way.
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Mele20
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said by KodiacZiller:

I would say no you don't need them. They should only be there for "on demand" and not as a defensive measure. Too many people rely on AV as the first line of defense (often as the only line), when it should be the last line.

But Avira is worthy because of Guard not Luke Filewalker. If you are going to use Avira you must use the real time scanner. Don't bother with Luke as the on the demand scanner is not as good as Guard.

Folks should just be using version 8 or 9 (free version). I have ZERO problems with version 8. Engine and VDF update regularly and I don't need all the bells and whistles that started in version 10. All I require is an outstanding real time scanner and ver 8 and 9 provide that.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

PX Eliezer
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reply to Oregonian

said by Oregonian:

I hate that Norman anti-virus!

said by NormanS:

said by Oregonian:

I hate that Norman anti-virus!

I'll see what I can do; I will get right on it!

Both of you probably thought that the other guy (Skinny Tom) wrote [Norman] instead of [Norton].

But NORMAN is a REAL anti-virus. Quite a big one in some parts of the world....

»www.norman.com/personal/antiviru···yware/en

Mele20
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You think NormanS See Profile thought the other guy made a mistake and meant Norton? I don't think you got the point.

I think everyone here knows that Norman is an antivirus program and is quite different from Norton/Symantec.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


PX Eliezer
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No, one step further back. [Oregonian] thought that [SkinnyTom] made a mistake.

said by SkinnyTom :

In the recent past our networks were crippled by faulty Avira and Avast updates, and years ago by a faulty Norman update.

said by Oregonian:

I hate that Norman anti-virus!

My view is that [Oregonian] thought that [SkinnyTom] made a mistake. That is the ONLY way that Oregonian's post (and ) makes sense.

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said by Mele20:

I think everyone here knows that Norman is an antivirus program and is quite different from Norton/Symantec.

You can vouch for every single person? Heck, there was a prominent moderator on this DSLR website who had not heard of Norman.

Mele20
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Why do you think that is the only way Oregonian See Profile post makes sense? It makes sense to me and I think he meant Norman. As for NormanS See Profile he was being funny and you completely missed it.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


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