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28619103
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How is this different from FiOS TV and Uverse TV

The traffic is not prioritized (so capacity management impacts all services equally). ADDITIONAL bandwidth is added as not to impact your Internet service. On top of that, capacity is managed normally with the downstream while multiple watchdogs (FCC, Netflix, etc) have been measuring this for years with great results as compared with all ISPs.

I'm amazed at all the negative hype around using IP as it was intended to be used. Viva IP Convergence!

Isn't this like FiOS TV and Uverse TV?


Mari

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said by 28619103:

The traffic is not prioritized (so capacity management impacts all services equally) and ADDITIONAL bandwidth is added as not to impact Internet.

Yes additional bandwidth has been added, but it *appears* that all traffic is still traveling down the same QAM channels, even though there are more of them now. Even if Comcast is not prioritizing traffic, there are still ultimately issues around how much bandwidth the MSO is using for managed services versus Internet service. It's ultimately a finite resource, and there will be demand from both the TV and Internet sides of the house. There's no guarantee that bandwidth will be added equitably for both sides in the future, and we have no way of knowing how Comcast (or any other cable operator) decides to divvy it up.

UnnDunn
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reply to 28619103
said by 28619103:

Isn't this like FiOS TV and Uverse TV?

The difference is neither Verizon nor AT&T impose bandwidth caps on their wired residential broadband plans.

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said by UnnDunn:

said by 28619103:

Isn't this like FiOS TV and Uverse TV?

The difference is neither Verizon nor AT&T impose bandwidth caps on their wired residential broadband plans.

Wrong - U-Verse has a 250GB cap, which their own TV conveniently ignores. Just like Comcast.


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reply to 28619103
said by 28619103:

The traffic is not prioritized (so capacity management impacts all services equally). ADDITIONAL bandwidth is added as not to impact your Internet service. On top of that, capacity is managed normally with the downstream while multiple watchdogs (FCC, Netflix, etc) have been measuring this for years with great results as compared with all ISPs.

I'm amazed at all the negative hype around using IP as it was intended to be used. Viva IP Convergence!

Isn't this like FiOS TV and Uverse TV?

FIOS TV and Uverse TV technically are not apps on a different device though. Also interesting enough AT&T stopped offering the 360 bundle yesterday, said they are waiting for enhancements.
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said by GTFan:

Wrong - U-Verse has a 250GB cap, which their own TV conveniently ignores. Just like Comcast.

If that's the case, why is Netflix bitching about Comcast and not about AT&T?


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Because Netflix's complaint doesn't stem from "fair access" to Comcast's customers, but for cheap access to their customers.

Older article, but still relevant:

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010···astards/


28619103
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reply to Mari
Doesn't that exist for ALL IP pipes? Again it is a capacity management process. This is how IP works folks. Do you want to go back to the old days of T1's / service? What do you think that will cost?


baineschile
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reply to UnnDunn
Simple question, simple answer. Comcast is bigger, and has more subscribers than UVerse.


Vchat20
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Actually, not to be completely nitpicky, U-Verse does do some traffic prioritization on their services. You can get a high enough HSI tier that would otherwise conflict bandwidth-wise with TV viewing if you had a full 4 HD streams going at once. It has been noted ad-nauseum that the HSI is throttled back to accomodate TV viewing/recording in these scenarios. I believe priority was Phone, TV, HSI at last check.

This is actually the primary reason (as far as I have seen rumored, obviously there isn't going to be an official statement from AT&T) that they have yet to implement caps on the VDSL U-Verse service which is the only service that carries TV and phone as well as HSI. Basically they'd need to successfully and accurately track just HSI in the bandwidth meter and ignore TV and phone. On paper it sounds easy, but as always in practice there's likely a lot of annoying corner cases.

And with FiOS, unless they have changed things recently, doesn't even use IP for TV services nor phone. The HSI pretty much rides its own trackable pipe separate from phone and TV. I -believe- the only thing that rides on HSI that is TV related is DVR control stuff and On Demand.
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reply to 28619103
said by 28619103:

The traffic is not prioritized (so capacity management impacts all services equally).
Isn't this like FiOS TV and Uverse TV?

On U-Verse the Traffic is prioritized, VoIP 1st, TV 2nd, internet last. If you're on the 32/5 profile watching 4HD streams at once (or recording) then you're only going to get 18Mbps maximum (unless they changed the compression protocols since I've worked there) on the downstream on your internet. That's just one of the reasons I hate U-verse.....

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reply to Vchat20
It wouldn't be hard for ATT to tell the difference between 3 services. It's a matter of them currently watching the customers first. Each Service has to be tagged differently and knows where to go. Otherwise it would all get lost.

davidhoffman
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AT&T DSL 150GB/month cap, AT&T Uverse 250GB/month cap. Imposed in some service areas, eventually in all service areas.

Skippy25

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reply to 28619103
So you can watch Fringe on the xBox and they add bandwidth and it doesnt count toward the cap, but you can't watch it from their website and get bandwidth added and not have it count against a cap as well? Sounds like unfair treatment of traffic to me.