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neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL

CW ident while x-mitting?

Okay, I admit... I listen to a repeater in California over RadioReference... Anyway, there is a guy who talks on there, while he is talking, it sounds like the radio is also transmitting a faint CW in the background. I don't know CW, so I can't tell what it is, but I can hear a pattern to it.

So... I am wondering if it is the radio sending his call sign while he is talking?

Do they make a radio that does this?
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"F is for Fire that burns down the whole town...
U is for Uranium...... Bombs...
N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton



drjim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
kudos:3

Interesting....
Which repeater is it? Wouldn't happen to be the 147.435 machine, would it?
All of the Amateur repeater controllers I'm aware of allow you to do a CW ID *of the repeater*, but they all wait until the current user unkeys to broadcast it.
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One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.



neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL

I'm not telling... LOL

This isn't the repeater... This is the individual's radio....



DrStrange
Technically feasible
Premium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
kudos:1

If you did tell, someone who knows CW could listen for the individual in question and determine if the CW was the repeater callsign or the individual's callsign or some random message.

Just because some of us didn't pass a code test to get our tickets doesn't mean we don't know CW.



drjim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
kudos:3

Yep, there's two groups....."No Code" and "Know Code".
I won't get into a discussion of either, as there's still a lot of bad feelings about it.
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One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.


tobicat
Premium
join:2005-04-18
Tombstone, AZ
reply to neonhomer

Maybe this

»www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index···2.0;wap2
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7000S SatMex 5 1050, Dlink wirless



neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL
reply to DrStrange

Yes, it is 435..

I'm not bashing anyone who does or doesn't know code. Me personally, I *want* to learn code. Just can't find the time...



DrStrange
Technically feasible
Premium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
kudos:1
reply to drjim

I don't get involved in 'know code' vs. 'no code' any more than I already am.

I studied 40 years ago and never got around to taking the test.
By the time I got around to it [2010], code was no longer required.

I can copy CW at about 10-13WPM on a good day, maybe 5-7WPM on a bad day. I might have been able to pull off 20 with a lot of practice if I had had to. Maybe one of these days I'll work on it, just so I can say I could have passed Extra with the original code requirement.



DrStrange
Technically feasible
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West Hartford, CT
kudos:1
reply to neonhomer

Thanks for the info.

I'll have a listen to that .435 machine one of these days and see what I hear.



neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL

Have you (or anyone else) ever listened to 435 before? If you haven't, be prepared to hear stuff you have never heard before on amateur frequencies. Language, jamming... a massive part 97 violation.

I listen because the fighting and other bull is funny... and a good example of what NOT to do on amateur radio!



Postal
First pull up, then pull down.
Premium
join:2000-08-30
Simi Valley, CA

I can pick up the repeater here in Ventura on my HT. I tune in once in a while. Funny to hear them fight with each other.
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Next time you wave at me, use ALL your fingers.



drjim
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join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
kudos:3
reply to neonhomer

I listened to 435 on a daily basis back in the early 90's. At times it was hilariously funny, and at other times it was a cesspool of Amateur radio's worst.
It's been cleaned up, and gone through several owners, since then, and I haven't listened to it lately.
At one time, 435 had an Arbitron rating higher than several of L.A.'s bigger radio stations.
--
One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.



neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL
reply to Postal

Same here... I occasionally talk to the repeater owner and a couple of others through Facebook... (KE6RRI is the owner... I also talk to N6BHU on occasion.) RRI has cleaned it up a little, but it's still "good ole 435".

A bit OT - I like it how there are certain people on there who blatantly disregard Part 97 and the FCC, but when it plays into their advantage, the certain ones start hollering "I'm writing Laura Smith." or "The FCC is listening..."

Still funny though...
--
"F is for Fire that burns down the whole town...
U is for Uranium...... Bombs...
N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton


W6Taurus

join:2003-01-29
Griggsville, IL

I'm a regular listener of 435 also. I also chat with Christina on fb from time to time. I used to get on the repeater with echolink back before it got took down. The history of that repeater is something else. I usually have it running here in the background most evenings. Love the cast of characters out there. Just glad I'm not the one that has to worry about the FCC and complaints.



neonhomer
KK4BFN
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL

If you listened recently, IIRC, the operator I am referring to is Darrin Jones. I think he is the one I hear that from.

I was hoping if I listened to code practice mp3's in my sleep, I'lll wake up one day knowing code... LOL


W6Taurus

join:2003-01-29
Griggsville, IL

I think what you are hearing is the remote radio IDing while he is transmitting. There was talk on the repeater quite awhile back that if you are using a remote to get into the repeater they want it to id. I don't think very many do this though .
That way they can tell if someone has hacked into the remote and using it to jam and other nonsense. I don't know code myself so i wish i could tell you what it is saying. I promised myself when i got my license i would learn code and one day i will. Just haven't found the time to concentrate on learning it!



Ender3rd

join:2001-07-15
Connecticut
reply to neonhomer

Much to my surprise, the cheap little Baofeng UV-5R HT that I recently picked up at a flea market has a feature called PTT-ID which sends your call in morse code (in the background) when you press the PTT to transmit. It can be programmed to repeat your call when you unkey. Maybe his rig has a similar feature?
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Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. (Charlie Reese)



alphapointe
Don't Touch Me
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
kudos:2

Really... All mine does when I turn on PTTID is spit out DTMF...

The manual leaves something to be desired...



Ender3rd

join:2001-07-15
Connecticut

Yes, the manual is more of a curiosity than a help. I think you are correct. Looking at the Baofeng software (which I don't use) it looks like PTT-ID is in the DTMF subset of commands. I don't see any field for entering a call sign, and the manual's description of the "feature" is not very clear, so...

Thanks for clarifying this, um... feature!
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Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. (Charlie Reese)



mattmag
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-04-09
NW Illinois
kudos:3
reply to drjim

said by drjim:

All of the Amateur repeater controllers I'm aware of allow you to do a CW ID *of the repeater*, but they all wait until the current user unkeys to broadcast it.

Our local repeater has the CW ID, and it *does* transmit while the repeater is in use. The tones however are subdued in volume compared to the conversation, and are not a distraction. It has two operational sequences, the first sends a complete station ID with callsign and location on the first "ker-chunk", and then callsign only every 9 minutes after that.


drjim
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join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
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Interesting.......I never knew that you could set it up that way.
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One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.



mattmag
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-04-09
NW Illinois
kudos:3



I don't know if it is a commercial unit, or homebrew. I think the latter, built by a formerly local EE type that is in Milwaukee now I think.

I'll see what I can find out if you're interested.



sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
kudos:1

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reply to neonhomer

said by neonhomer:

If you listened recently, IIRC, the operator I am referring to is Darrin Jones. I think he is the one I hear that from.

I was hoping if I listened to code practice mp3's in my sleep, I'lll wake up one day knowing code... LOL

Wow that was exactly who I was thinking about when I read the first post. Yeah, I listen to that repeater all the time also. Those guys have tons of remotes everywhere... and only a few of them ID correctly. They like the Kenwood 731s and 741s.

I know my Yaesu 857D can send a cw tone id on FM Tx. Same with the 741a. Think my Kenwood HT can do it as well.


drjim
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join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
kudos:3

My D710 can also do it.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
reply to drjim

said by drjim:

All of the Amateur repeater controllers I'm aware of allow you to do a CW ID *of the repeater*, but they all wait until the current user unkeys to broadcast it.

We have many local repeaters here that ID in morse* when you're talking. They do it at lower volume so they don't ID on top of the person.

*CW is A1A. When morse code is transmitted as audio on an FM repeater it is not A1A and therefore it is not CW.


drjim
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join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
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I fully understand that sending "CW" as audio tones is not A1A, however, that's what most people refer to it as when they say "The repeater ID's in CW".
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One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.