Tech and Talk > Gaming > World of Warcraft > Player Mindsets - PvE vs. PvP (Which is Better?)

reply to cigtyme

Re: Player Mindsets - PvE vs. PvP (Which is Better?)

No Snuff i always respect your post it was
wopatoolie

that i was refering to

Kk, no worries. Just wanted to clarify to make sure I didn't post something unclear (happens often)

I just went too long without putting my 2 cents in here. No matter if it is wrong or misunderstood.

reply to wopatoolie
What is it that got you so offended? My signature? The fact that I don't like PvP in WoW? I'll admit that last comment about not playing wow if PvE gets boring seemed incendiary. I was reading all the great posts from some of the PvP fans I respect and the thought occurred to me that my dislike for pvp is so great that I'd drop the game altogether if I ever lost interest in PvE. I made sure to click "Reply to OP" so that no one could think I was responding to them directly.

I am a healer first, a tank second... and dps only when the other two are not needed of me. I always get focused (as I should be) in BGs and Arenas because I am the healer. So yes... I get my butt handed to me every... single... time. I don't enjoy it. Does that make me a douchbag or a noob? I don't think so. As for "swimming in the goop of it"... this thread was intended for both audiences to share their points of view. I only jump into pvp threads by mistake, normally, because I misunderstood the OP's title.

Oh, and to support snuff's counterpoint to Kearnstd... I point to console game FPS. Most people who buy those games, do the "campaign mode" once, maybe twice... then the rest of the time that they put that game into the machine it's specifically for PvP action. Kind of why I stopped buying console games and switched to WoW.
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I'd rather hang out with friends and collect gear, mounts, and achievements that don't require me to beat up on the weaker kid.

reply to Snuffbox
I put you on ignore because you're an arrogant prick. With how much you talk I would think you would be in the upper echelon of PvP, that is why I asked. I have no idea what a 1900 arena tournament ranking is, is that supposed to be impressive? All I know is people in my guild got glad last season and we're 8/8H, so there's more than a PvE or PvP only situation.

I still see no backing, just a list of a bunch of MMOs that most of us probably have never even played. As this is a WoW only forum, the statements made in argument of 'MMO's being a PvE vs PvP-centric game were obviously targeted at solely WoW. (Correct me if I'm wrong in that assumption). I still don't see any PvP vs PvE WOW numbers, several edits later.

I was just calling you out because you're a hyopcrit and did the same exact thing kearns did, who did in a much more respectable manner,

Keep stacking group comps and abuse which classes are deemed 'op'/FOTM, because when it comes down to it, it will always be who has the best cookie cutter team and or can exploit the game the best to win at PvP. Way it is, way it will always be.
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reply to Arthritis
I started off doing solely questing/levelling/PvE... didn't really see the point in doing any kind of PvP's or battlegrounds. Then one day I got bored, queued for a random BG, and got my butt handed to me repeatedly. Hmmm... that was frustrating. Queued again, same thing. Perhaps my hunter wasn't quite as "leet" as I thought. Slowly accumulated enough HP to get some PvP/resil gear, which helped a bit... but was still not doing very well. Then, I started reading up on my class more... learned about things like aspect dancing, keybound some abilities that I had nearly forgotten about (Master's Call, Tranq Shot, etc)... learned how OTHER classes try to take out a hunter. Before I knew it, over about 6 months I had spent about 90% of my WoW time doing PvP, instead of PvE, and had actually gotten pretty good at it. (And by then, I had burned out on PvP and switched back to 90% PvE.)
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I enjoy both formats of play - but I will always believe that PvP requires you to know your character (as well as other classes) more thoroughly than PvE does. They both require skill, to be sure, but in my opinion PvP is a much more fluid/dynamic environment, and requires more mental agility, as there are A LOT more variables to juggle. My two cents.

reply to JB

Damn i mention cookie cutters and hardly no one even talks about it. I was hoping to spark some good convo on this.

Hah Cig, look at the last quarter of my response to JB.

It exists in PvE Raids as well, but players seem to turn a blind eye... Group composition and class strengths are absolutely considered in both game styles.

So does min-maxing - gems/profressions/enchants.

What many PvE only players don't understand is the synergy between classes and the relationship of their CC's which creates the "FOTM Cookie-Cutter" situations deemed "OP" and "unfair exploitation".

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reply to Arthritis
Asking for proof = attacking, oh ok? May have not been polite, far from attacking though.

I am not debating that WoW is fueled by PvP or PvE or both or whatever, as I don't really care, all I want is some PROOF that WOW is fueled by PvP. This is what you strongly feel about, so please enlighten us. Why was my reasoning illogical but yet it has been 3 posts now and I still see no proof from you? Again, we are in a WOW forum, I don't give a shit about other MMOs.

Touched inappropriately in PvP? Lmao, please. I made it to 1800 using my PvE spec in about 2 weeks, yeah man, I got destroyed. Just got tired of seeing the same face roll comps over and over again(At the time it was Ret/FrostDK/Warrior), what's sad is we would be all non fotm comps 8 times out of 10. It's far more than synergy, if it was only based on synergy the 'top' comps wouldn't change with every minor content patch.

And actually I enjoy RBGs(some what), I just don't want to spend the time in WoW to do them anymore, would rather do something else and it's always a hassle to get others to buy in.
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reply to Arthritis
I don't like the learning path for PvP. And this point is funny to me given the arguments against PvE given thus far. The only way to really learn all of the counters your class has against other classes in PvP is to level up through BGs. Same maps... same objectives... same routine... just random "mobs". You learn what you can do, and what you can't do with a limited toolbox of spells against 10 possible classes, and 100 different combinations of teams. Then as you lvl up and learn new abilities... you go back into essentially the same BGs... and learn what strats need to be adjusted because class X acquired "OP ability" Y. Until finally you are at max level... had a ton of honor built up, and walk straight into arenas with 4k resil and 5 new abilities per class to learn. But you are there... you are now a mid-level pvper. You will make your conquest points by absolutely trouncing the PvEr who is dabbling in PvP.

If you wait until you are at max level PvE to try pvp... you don't start learning anything really until you have your 4+k resil.

now lets flip it. PvE learning curve is smooth. I can't count how many dungeons/mobs/strats there are (well, I could... just don't care to right now, lol). But dungeons are tuned so that anyone, at any point, can learn how to run them and have some fun if they choose. Sure, the pure quest grinder will have to learn about the 15 abilities that weren't needed before level 83... but it's not that difficult (unless he/she is trying to heal or tank... then it can be painful going in alone). That gladiator will pick up dungeoning just fine... but they will be bored... and they'll usually let you know about it. In the end... all they see is a fight that looks like other fights (to them)... "oh there's a big bad... uh-oh now a tank swap... oh an add... burn phase... don't stand in that... loot". While that empirically describes nearly all boss fights, it is intentionally missing (or should I say dismissing) the parts that are different. Sure, I could say that the Ragnaros fight is empirically no different from the Cho'gall fight... but... I enjoyed both immensely. And I cannot guarantee that I can get just any random group through either raid without everyone having at least some knowledge of the fights and of PvE content.

TL;DR: if you can't take the time to read the above and try to see things through my eyes... just continue with the thought that your perspective is far superior to mine.
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Immergruen (resto/kitty) on Nathrezim Server (US)
Guild leader for Pride and Ego

I'd rather hang out with friends and collect gear, mounts, and achievements that don't require me to beat up on the weaker kid.

Yeah, I'm not critical at all about it, but certainly witholding judgement because I am not so sure it will work as seemlessly as Blizzard suggests.

True, and I always felt that they wanted their newly released class to do well in PvE & PvP. So naturally they probably will be "OP" initially. This is obviously complete assumption, but I genuinely don't think they will release a new class that is comparatively weak.

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