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Re: [Speed] May have to switch to Comcast 1 &2 . Since you have a phone line, you might want to look into "double play" internet+ phone $70-$80 for 12 mo.
Otherwise $30 for 12/2 is the best deal for 6 mo. Sometimes there are better deals, especially in college areas. I'd start with 12/2 and see if you need higher speed based on your 10hrs/week streaming comment.
HD streams use 4-10Mb typically, depending on resolution and compression. Apple TV uses less than Roku.
If you want the option to go to business, get a Motorola SB6120, not a Zoom as it is not supported under business service.
Business has uncapped powerboost , so speed tests will look crazy fast (80/40 or 70/10 depending on upstream bonding) instead of 15/5 or so on residential despite having the same 12/2 continuous capacity. The net result is that streaming an HD movie will have zero effect on browsing, short videos, email, and everyday use. With residential, you may experience some delays. |
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 | So internet phone - VOIP right? I tried playing with that years ago and it broke up all the time, what a mess.
It WOULD be tempting to dump CenturyLink 100% though. (BEG)
Wonder if we can keep our home phone number?
We'd have to get some other kind of cordless phones though, for around the house, right? Or could our present cordless base just jack into that thing?
Like I said, we have a 10 hour a week part time home business, so we avoid like the plague, anyone wanting to use the word "business" for an account with them, as it always means "bend over" and the prices will double, if they do! |
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 telcodad join:2011-09-16 Lincroft, NJ kudos:2 | said by Melissa2009B:So internet phone - VOIP right? I tried playing with that years ago and it broke up all the time, what a mess. Comcast Digital Voice service is not just plain VOIP. CDV service runs on Comcast's own private digital network until it hits the PSTN switches.
See: »Comcast High Speed Internet FAQ »Is Comcast Digital Voice the same as other VoIP services? and »Comcast High Speed Internet FAQ »What is Comcast Digital Voice service? |
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1 edit | reply to Melissa2009B said by Melissa2009B:So internet phone - VOIP right? I tried playing with that years ago and it broke up all the time, what a mess.
It WOULD be tempting to dump CenturyLink 100% though. (BEG)
Wonder if we can keep our home phone number?
We'd have to get some other kind of cordless phones though, for around the house, right? Or could our present cordless base just jack into that thing?
Like I said, we have a 10 hour a week part time home business, so we avoid like the plague, anyone wanting to use the word "business" for an account with them, as it always means "bend over" and the prices will double, if they do! Comcast runs its CDV* on a different cable channel than it uses for HSI and it stays on Comcast's network until it is passed to a CLEC** for connecting to the PSTN***, so it is not subject to the same kind of drop out that sometimes occurs with VoIP over a less than optimum connection.
You should be able to use whatever telephones (including cordless phones) that you currently use, and if you chose to port your existing phone number to Comcast, you can also use your existing in-house telephone wiring to distribute the VoIP (you just need to make sure that the current telco connection is physically disconnected).
There is no way of course, that anyone can offer you an iron clad guarantee that CDV* will be more reliable than your existing POTS****, but it sounds as if your existing POTS is already terrible, and it would not take much to be better.
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 | Sounds interesting, thanks guys. Well we use a cordless system with 4 phones here, all jacked into the wall from a single base, so it would simplify all that.
Let's see how happy we are first, with HSI. |
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 | reply to NetFixer Thinking some more about this. I pulled the bills and we now pay $90 a mo for the home phone line and DSL from CenturyLink. So it sounds like we can replace all that with Comcast and come out ( after the 6 month into savings ) with about the same cost, BUT get the speed we need for streaming HDTV and movies. That would be WONDERFUL!
But being the greedy capitalist pig that I am, can the Comcast phone system also take the place of RingCentral? That could save us even more money. We currently shell out about $57 a month while working about 10 hours a week at our tiny home business, for Ring Central.
Why? Because we need simultaneous ring for the home and cell phones, that's the big one. If a customer calls and we don't pick up within 2-3 rings, they're gone, to someone else. We tried rolling over after 4 rings, from the home to the cell number and were losing customers, so we had to get Ring Central for simultaneous ring, and I can even go online and program the numbers it rings to. We also have an 800 number with them ( makes us look like a big company ), which we MUST keep if we leave them.
And we get fax to email, a separate 800 number for faxing that sends faxes to us in email as PDF's. But if Comcast could do all that, keep our 800 number, and bundle it for less money, maybe we could save some.
Anyone know?
Gosh, Comcast is sounding better and better as I converse with you guys here, I just hope it's real.  |
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1 edit | said by Melissa2009B:Thinking some more about this. I pulled the bills and we now pay $90 a mo for the home phone line and DSL from CenturyLink. So it sounds like we can replace all that with Comcast and come out ( after the 6 month into savings ) with about the same cost, BUT get the speed we need for streaming HDTV and movies. That would be WONDERFUL!
But being the greedy capitalist pig that I am, can the Comcast phone system also take the place of RingCentral? That could save us even more money. We currently shell out about $57 a month while working about 10 hours a week at our tiny home business, for Ring Central.
Why? Because we need simultaneous ring for the home and cell phones, that's the big one. If a customer calls and we don't pick up within 2-3 rings, they're gone, to someone else. We tried rolling over after 4 rings, from the home to the cell number and were losing customers, so we had to get Ring Central for simultaneous ring, and I can even go online and program the numbers it rings to. We also have an 800 number with them ( makes us look like a big company ), which we MUST keep if we leave them.
And we get fax to email, a separate 800 number for faxing that sends faxes to us in email as PDF's. But if Comcast could do all that, keep our 800 number, and bundle it for less money, maybe we could save some.
Anyone know?
Gosh, Comcast is sounding better and better as I converse with you guys here, I just hope it's real.  I think that the latest version of Comcast Digital Voice does do simultaneous ringing to multiple phones, but I don't have that service, so I can't verify that. It definitely does not have all of the other features that the RingCentral home office product provides. You can probably get an inbound toll free number assigned to CDV (from another party if Comcast doesn't do it directly), but RingCentral may not allow their number to be ported, so that might mean a new toll free number if you leave RingCentral. Several years back (when Vonage was losing copyright and patent infringement lawsuits to multiple telcos, and it seemed that they might be sued out of existence) I migrated my VoIP services to AT&T CallVantage, and I lost my toll free number and my fax number because Vonage would not allow them to be ported.
I currently use Vonage (again) for VoIP instead of CDV or RingCentral, but I do use RingCentral for faxing because I have found that the Vonage fax service is not always reliable over my Comcast connection (even though it used to work perfectly over my slower AT&T DSL connection). That reliability problem seems to be related to the firmware version in my SMCD3G gateway rather than the Comcast service itself. Test faxes that I have sent and received using Vonage with the current SMCD3G firmware seem to work OK, but I don't trust it enough to cancel my RingCentral fax service since Comcast can and does update modem firmware frequently.
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 | Well the installer showed up here at 2:40 PM and had a completely different work order than the promo that I signed up for online on the 27th. They had canceled the promo and added phone, ALL at full price! I went ballistic. So the poor guy had to stand around for 45 minutes while I hashed it out with a rep on the phone and got my pomo back, WITHOUT voice! I signed up online with it, with their chat tech, without voice, KNOWING that if I added voice, there's no more promo and no more going without a contract!
So get this - the agent on the phone tells me that if I just wait 2 weeks and then order the voice, it will only be $20 more per month than the promo price!
This is like Keystone Cops, dealing with the sales and signup part of this company! It could make blood shoot out of my eyes!
Absolute insanity!
I get a better deal if I don't have it all installed now!
Now I'm wondering, if I get the phone added for only $20 a month more, in 2 weeks, if that will require me going with a contract with them?
Jeez! |
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| Just go with what you have, remember promos are intended to pay back over their life or within the next year. so whatever bonus they offer will have an equal negitive. you were happy with the promo before and will save money/get better speeds with this, don't wait for "our lowest price ever" there is always a catch. |
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 | reply to Melissa2009B Well we're all installed for the HSI and it works great! The upload speed now is faster than the download speed was with CenturyLink!
I tried watching my favorite streaming channel and no more stalling! Yeah!!!
So I wait 2 weeks and then approach them about adding the phone. |
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| said by Melissa2009B:Well we're all installed for the HSI and it works great! The upload speed now is faster than the download speed was with CenturyLink!
I tried watching my favorite streaming channel and no more stalling! Yeah!!!
So I wait 2 weeks and then approach them about adding the phone. Or, since you are already a RingCentral customer, you might want to see what it would cost to convert your current account into a full service VoIP account. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 | We might lose our 800 number, which may not be portable. And I don't know if Comcast offers everything we get from RingCentral.
And Comcast is VERY aggravating with sales. I've never seen a company that penalizes people for bundling more services with them! |
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| said by Melissa2009B:We might lose our 800 number, which may not be portable. And I don't know if Comcast offers everything we get from RingCentral.
And Comcast is VERY aggravating with sales. I've never seen a company that penalizes people for bundling more services with them! I think you misunderstood my post. I was suggesting upgrading your existing RingCentral account. RingCentral is more than just a call answering, call forwarding, and internet fax service. They are also a VoIP provider. You may be able to integrate their VoIP service into your existing account for less than you currently pay for your CenturyLink phone service, or what you would pay for the Comcast Digital Voice service. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 | Integrate it into Comcast's account? Wow. Didn't know RC bundled with CC. |
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| said by Melissa2009B:Integrate it into Comcast's account? Wow. Didn't know RC bundled with CC. Nevermind. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 | Duoh! I see what you meant. 
Well I have misgivings about plain old VOIP. I've seen people use it and it was all chopped up.
But Comcast has supposedly done some higher tech things with it, so it's like a real phone? |
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| said by Melissa2009B:Duoh! I see what you meant. 
Well I have misgivings about plain old VOIP. I've seen people use it and it was all chopped up.
But Comcast has supposedly done some higher tech things with it, so it's like a real phone? I am somewhat surprised that you were not already aware of RingCentral's VoIP offerings. They constantly send me offers to "upgrade" my fax service to include full VoIP capability.
Comcast's VoIP (Comcast Digital Voice) is supplied to you over a different cable channel than your internet service, and it stays on their private network until it is transferred to the Public Switched Telephone Network. That does tend to make their own VoIP service less likely to have voice quality problems.
Any other provider's VoIP service will share the bandwidth with your Comcast internet service, so yes, it is possible that the voice quality might suffer. However, FWIW, my Vonage service is as crystal clear as an ISDN connection, and my RingCentral fax service (which uses VoIP technology) has been 100% reliable. As always is the case, YMMV. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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 1 edit | I guess I don't even understand how it works. Would RingCentral give me a box that I'd plug my cordless system into, here at the house? And it would go out via the wireless internet?
Oh by the way, I just looked and they gave us an Arris TG862G/CT for the gateway today. I'll take a look at prices.
I KNOW that some of you said to use a separate modem and router, but this goes by the KISS principle. The way we use this around here is: In the daytime we could both be on the internet at the same time with our PC's. Very little downloading, AND we have 12 meg speed now.
Then at night, we both MAY watch streaming on the Roku boxes at the same time, but probably only one at a time, and with the PC's off. Simple stuff, not big bandwidth hogs or anything. |
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1 edit | said by Melissa2009B:I guess I don't even understand how it works. Would RingCentral give me a box that I'd plug my cordless system into, here at the house? And it would go out via the wireless internet? That would be something that you would need to investigate with RingCentral. Most of the upgrade offers I have gotten involved using standalone IP phones (which they sell), but I suspect that they would also support using a SIP* box that would have an FXS* connector (standard telephone interface), that could connect to any standard telephone (including a cordless phone controller). That is how my Vonage service is connected, and the Comcast Digital Voice service also uses an FXS connector on their eMTA**.
As for it going out over the wireless internet, I am guessing you are asking could you locate an IP phone, or a SIP box anywhere in your house and connect using WiFi. The answer is that it would probably be better to directly connect such a device to your wireless router with an Ethernet cable. However, you could certainly connect any Ethernet device to an Ethernet/WiFi bridge for making a WiFi connection.
* Session Initiation Protocol * Foriegn eXchange Station
EDIT: ** I just noticed that you edited your post to indicate that you have an Arris gateway, so since you are already halfway there, perhaps it would be simpler for you to stick with Comcast Digital Voice for your VoIP service (especially with your KISS principle). -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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