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kilrathi
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join:2005-04-22
Rockaway Park, NY
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Re: [TWC] packet loss / service degraded - amp in rockaway park,

I got it working again without packet loss, Took about 10 modem reboots and now I only have the 2 16QAM upstrream locked and other 2 are T4. This way there is no packet loss but I have to usually reboot modem every day. I been trying to contact client relations today but assigned person to me was not available supposed to call back. Now if I knew that one of the lower packages uses only those 2 upstream lower modulation channels I would jump on that rigth away but noone knows anything for certain even the plant tech said he wasnt sure.

Wonder if anyone here(NYC/Queens) is on the older roadrunner and turbo packages if you can see your modem stat pages what kind of upstream channel specs do you have?



DrDrew
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said by kilrathi:

Now if I knew that one of the lower packages uses only those 2 upstream lower modulation channels I would jump on that rigth away but noone knows anything for certain even the plant tech said he wasnt sure.

ANY service tier will use any of those 4 available channels, the tier doesn't dictate what channels are used. The modem and CMTS dictate what channels are used. The CMTS will put the modem on whatever upstream channel it needs to be on, that the modem can handle.

The only way to lock out using QAM64 channels on your end (other than putting the upstream channels out of spec for QAM64 like you've been doing) is to use a DOCSIS 1 modem.
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kilrathi
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join:2005-04-22
Rockaway Park, NY

Ahh that is sad news, but do you have any idea if plant tech or engineer would have any capibility to send a custom config file to my modem so that it only used 16qam channels for upstream and others only for qpsk initaliziation etc... Thats what I am trying to find out but its been long process. Sure they could get around and sweep the area and those frequencies and find where the problem is occuring but I dont count on that anytime soon.

I did notice something like this today on network status page:

Red 8/8/2012 7:20:00 PM HUB-E C401 4/10 30.6 MHZ

Red 8/8/2012 6:10:00 PM HUB-F C401 2/9 23.8 MHZ

under Degraded Service Outages
Today!

Now I dont know whether that is related to my problem but both of those frequencies are the 64QAM frequencies used on upstream here where I live and both of them have the constant errors so I hope maybe they finally getting around to do something about this.



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY
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I spoke with t3 tech today and he said that currently its that 30.6 MHZ channel thats constantly jumping in upstream snr between 20 and 30(this is when I have modem locked normally with all upstream channels not blocked). And since thats the channel id thats default channel so its being used for upstream and yes I have constant packet loss. This upstream snr jumping occuring on that frequency is most likely sign of some noise or interference thats causing the packet loss. I am trying again to get plant tech out there since it seems thats only the frequency thats a problem.



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

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So I was migrated to a new CMTS that has 6 downstream channels and all 4 upstream channels are max 16QAM last wednsday, for 5 days everything was great and I was about to call today to let them know it seems they finally after few months solved my issue when just as I double checked I noticed my connection die as I was opening some sites and so I go check my statistics and boom I see insane packet loss back:



I checked visualtrace voip tests and all that packet loss is occuring on the upstream yet again.... sigh just when I think the nightmare is finally over it strikes again, and actually right now its a lot worse than before.

The worst part of this is that most likely the noise occurs on the same frequenices on upstream channels as before but while before I was able to add splitters to have 2 of those channels T4 and then have the modem still operate on the remaining 2 for at least 24 hours without packet loss now with this new CMTS all upstream channels have QPSK modulation and thus I am unable to "drop out" certain channels anymore for an easy fix and thus if this continues I am back to square one back to same problem that started back at end of may...



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

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Nothing is still done, client relations rep promised me to call back last week and never did regarding update from engineering. Meanwhile anytime I see "No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out" in the log of the modem thats when packet loss jumps up on the upstream in rates of 5-20% and sometimes connection will freeze out for few minutes but the modem itself will never lose lock, I suspect it just jumps upsteam channel after that to one that has no noise but then goes back, I have pretty much narrow down which of the 4 channels have noise(packet loss) and which dont but with new cmts there is really no way to force specific one to be used as all have QPSK.

Yesterday between 3pm and 1am modem was full of T3 timeout errors and there was upstream packet loss occuring along with degraded upstream speed. Signal stats are perfect but there is noise on 1 or 2 of the upstream channels that causes the problem. There is no way to force a specific upstream channel and thus unless TW gets off their butt and manages to find out cause of the noise on the given channel I am stuck with this problem.

Since memorial day this same problem been going on and nothing is still really done about, if anything migration to new cmts only negated a way I found to solve the problem on temporary basis by myself.

Now this new cmts I been migrated to seems to be in NJ(it has NJ hostname) and I noticed that now the packet loss upstream problems kick in for past few days from about 5pm till 1-2 am so it matches more of peak time usage than packet loss problems on old cmts when it would happen all night and it was noticable even during day, now around 5pm T3 time out errors will start and the upstream is very jumpy it will be fine for 20 seconds meaning full speed and no packet loss and then bam could totally freeze for like 10 seconds or get about 20 % packet loss for a while, this all matches T3 timeout errors on the log modem, when they stop the problems stop too.

Further, there is extra cable line ran to my house from a differnt pole/tap that was left over from when they were trying to see if that will help, now I hooked up my ground block to that one and besides havign different dbmv stats there is no difference in packet loss and thus its definitely not the bad tap that I am hooked to or the line thats running in, further again coaxal from ground block to my modem is brand new no splitters etc...

I am wondering if that new cmts now is serving more customers than when I was migrated to it week ago and now its overloaded, its hard for me to say but so far past few months things are getting basically worse and even level 3 tech support and client relations are not as helpful as they were back in may. Maybe they saw that I am back paying my bill fully and think hey looks like he will just endure the problem, well last bill was last I paid now and unless I get some refund again this will be it. Still cannot get verizon fios unless its the multi dwelling vdsl so I am stuck, but this week I will be calling l3 tech every day and same with client rep I will be asking to get tech out just to drive as its a plant issue or plant tech is needed and reg tech cant do anything but hey if it takes bothering them to have to send tech all the time then I will do what I have to do over and over.


harald

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The new CMTS if in the same location as the old CMTS, not NJ.

What is your source for knowing that you are on a new CMTS?



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

First hop beyond my modem would be CMTS no? With old one I couldnt even resolve or ping first hop but since CMTS migration there have been 2 different 1st hops, originally a one with hostname that had nj.res in it but after I saw some scheduled work on the queens few days ago on network status page now its a ny.res first hop its kinda weird, but I assume the first hop is cmts am I correct? or at least should be near it.

Either way they had work on sunday and monday on network status page showing HUB-G C### #/# TO #/# ALL UPS FREQS under degraded service and ever since that was removed I have no problems once again for a day now, I noticed they have more ALL UPS FREQS but different hub today so maybe they been doing and are doing major work either way I am glad there are no problems again for a day but as I stated many times before there been times where everything was fine for a day or 2 and then bam, so unless I see this problem gone for like a week or 2 I wont be celebrating.


harald

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"First hop beyond my modem would be CMTS no?"

No. Modems are layer 2 devices (bridges that route packets based upon hardware addresses) and do not show up in traceroutes.

The address that you've attributed to the CMTS is actually the next router after the CMTS. Unfortunately one cannot rely too much on the location information implied by the naming of routers internal to cable systems. Keeping them up-to-date and accurate is not a priority for a lot of cable companies.

Probably has nothing to do with your problems. Sounds like they may be having some noise problems on the upstream freequencies.



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

Well yes, I know there is noise on upstream frequencies I know which ones too, the one positive is that new cmts uses max 16QAM on upstream and thus there is less problems in theory with noise as it can operate at lower SNR, with old cmts 2 of the channels were 64QAM and their snr would jump between 18 and 30, with old cmts i could add extra splitters that caused the 2 higher modulation channels to T4 time out due to power level being too high and then quickly remove splitter which caused only the 2 16 QAM channels/frequencies to operate for upstream, this way there was never any problems however I had to reboot the modem usually after a day since I could not renew the ip lease this way.

Based on many calls and the above results both 30.6 and 23.8Mhz frequences is where the noise occured, however T3 did mention the logs showed biggest snr jumps and noise on the 30.6Mhz frequency channel.

Currently with new cmts there been more days with no problems than with problems so I have hope. While I maybe optimistic please remember that the problem was horrible between end of may and until 2 weeks ago when cmts was migrated, and only way I had good connection was with my splitter trick. Aside from 1 month for which I got refund I still paid full 100 bucks for that service so I am more than nice to time warner. I hope that this current pattern of last 2 days holds for long as there was no T3 timeout errors or problems for nearly 2 days now.



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

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2 and half days things were great and overnight today T3 time out errors filled the modem log and packet loss on the upstream is back.... regular intervals 5-15% packet loss when testing voip any codec and to make matters worse client rep who promised to call me back with update last week by end of week still did not return my calls and when I call they are always busy and will call back... not sure what to think of that but I am done paying until I hear from someone.

UPDATE, packet loss on the upstream comes and goes but as before established when speaking with l3 tech this is most likely because cmts is jumping channels on the upstream and some of them have no noise(i know pretty much which ones) but since there is no way to control which channel to use there is no way to solve the problem unless they find noise thats affecting 2 of the 4 channels. However, today I also noticed there is packet loss on downstream as well, its not major but until today I never really seen any packet loss on the downstream, so either there is congestion on this cmts right now or something else is going on. Frankly back between like 2003 and 2011 I rarely seen any problems with my connection and maybe had a problem once a year that was quickly cleared up but ever since this year its pretty much problems all the time..... what does contribute to this? maybe tw pushing too many upgrades without their infastrucuture being ready for all of it not sure but its pretty pathetic.



kilrathi
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Rockaway Park, NY

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Few days been no t3 timeout errors(3 days) and things looked like maybe something was fixed and then again things back to horrible since last night, here is glimpse what I have to deal with on my 50/5 on the upstream packet loss. Client representative assigned to me did not call me back for another week even though she promised to update me. I will be calling level 3 tech today to see if I can get a truck roll and I will be doing this every day until I can hear something back about the situation.

Its so bad that when I rebooted the modem just to see I got this error and modem was stuck for while:

Received REG-RSP while in REG-HOLD1 state;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX:4c;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;

Now I read a bit online and supposedly that is an error that indicates the modem and CMTS not being able to communicate so it has to start the registering process again. Its caused by noise on the upstream in most cases. Current upstream packet loss is range of about 5-15%

In addition to packet loss today also the speed on upstream is down below 1Mbit and I normally have no problem reaching 4-5Mbit.... so whatever is going on today situation is worse than ever.

nephipower

join:2012-02-20
San Antonio, TX

WOW, i'm so sorry you are still having to go through so much pain.

Have you tried calling TWC Office of the President to see what they can do to help you out?

»consumerist.com/2008/11/reach-ti···e-2.html



tonyram57

join:2001-11-08
Brooklyn, NY

I also am having the same problems as you from my post:
»[11217]It all started when I upgraded to double my speeds.

I had RR since 2001 and too only had minor problems then at the end of August I upgraded my speed to max 20/1 and that is when the problems started with intermediate connection. The modem would show I am connected but I could not ping crap then it would work again. I swapped the Ubee modem for a DCM425. I had the tech guy run a new cable line through and it was fine for a couple of weeks. Then Friday my internet was out for about four hours and since then during the evening hours my connection slows to a craw with T3 timeout errors. I even downgraded back to the standard service to 10/1 but it did not make a difference. Yesterday I swapped my DCM425 for a Motorola Surfboard SBG6580 and my connection was great. I thought problem solved. I ate supper. Went online around 6 PM and my upload was slow. Then as the hours progressed the download got slow. Then at exactly 9:48 PM the T3 error logs stopped and everything was fast again.

Like you these losers at TWC have a monopoly in my block. It is either them or VDSL with no FiOS in sight every coming to my area because of underground wiring. I am at my wits end. I been calling them up everyday complaining and losing my patience. Also having to wait three weeks for a appointment is pathetic.


Azrail

join:2011-07-14
Woodside, NY

Im in NYC/QUEENS with 30/5 wideband service. The packet loss issue happened since last Monday. Actually, this kind of problem happened every 3~4months since last summer. The longest one was more than one month.
Every time,TWC sent a Tech and swapped the modem. However, it did not help at all.
very annoying....



kilrathi
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I did get a partial refund for another month and I saw 3 different tw trucks the plant tech trucks(with the lift) on tuesday around here, since yesterday everything been great and not a single T3 timeout error, however until I see no problems for longer than few days I wont be declaring anything fixed as this occured before, simply put sometimes modem would use an upstream channel where noise does not occur. Hopefully this time around they actually did do something, I will report in future hopefully with good news.


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That is my packet loss and TWC think's it's fine. I think it suck's, but don't know how to get them to fix it. Was going to make a thread, but putting it here seemed better. Any help would be nice and thanks to all.



Rook008
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Far Rockaway, NY

That's a lot of packet loss.
Have you tried DSLR's line quality test to see where the loss occurs?


why60loss

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I could not get it to work.

I did ping with command prompt and the loss happens at over 1256 bytes. That's all I have so far.



kilrathi
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Unfortunately even there been patches of days where it was problem free entire weekend again a lot of upstream packet loss occuring of this nature along with ton of T3 timeout errors in model log...


Azrail

join:2011-07-14
Woodside, NY

me2...my problem was fixed 2 weeks ago.
However, it just back again.



kilrathi
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Problems where T3 time out errors would spam and packet loss on the upstream got crazy for past 5 days always would peak around 6pm EST, maybe something with amplifier changing settings or something going on, however today the problem is going on since 9am EST for 2 + hours already. I am tired of how often problems occur nowdays with time warner cable.

There is an issue indicated in Far Rockaway and I hope its related to my problem because entire day I have packet loss on the upstream its so bad sometimes everything just stops working no data flows at all. I have called l3 tech to schedule a tech so that in case this doesnt clear I can being the process of them doing something about it. Of course l3 tech was clueless and it wasnt anyone that I spoke with before so maybe I was redirected to some other center because the technican I spoke with today was clueless about what an upstream is.



kilrathi
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upload plot of current connection (22.1kbps)
I don't know whats going on here today but woah, right now T3 timeout errors stopped since hour ago on the modem but the connection itself is just touch and go things just "freeze" even during speed test it will hit max speed for moment and then just freeze at 0 and upstream test doesnt even get to test. Opening sites I have to refresh multiple times because sites dont load fully or at all and sometimes I get error saying stuff like bad gateway or firewall but on my end there is no difference, entire day as I said earlier there were ton of T3 time out errors but now that stopped but connection is just freezing constanty and maybe this is problem on the tw network and not between me and plant, hard to say.

When I do trace the traceroute literally freezes on hop 4 or 5 which is still in tw network, and I dont mean it times out with "*" response the traceroute completely freezes for like 20-30 seconds before continuing

UPDATE:

I just spoke with another level 3 tech and this one noticed the problem rigth away, it actually took me about 5 minutes to load any website again but he said that something is horribly wrong on my end again, my upstream SNR he said is now below 18.... when it should be at least 26.... He advised me to call client releations to see if I can get a tech visit faster tha monday because at this rate I have nearly useless internet, he also tried rebooting the modem from his side and it took about 10 minutes for the modem to lock as it kept "bouncing" or whatever he was talking about.

Funny that Back in may when this thread started this was the exact same problem, snr use to drop below 18 on upstream and over summer supposedly plant tech fixed it, and yet now in october same thing is occuring.... sigh as I have mentioned earlier I never had such terrible year with time warner before as this year.

FOR The first time ever I seen error liket his in my modem log too:

4-Error I271.0 T6 Timeout and retries exceeded
3-Critical I02.0 REG RSP not received

besides the usual t3 time out errors...

Currently all the upstream speed tests either freeze or just say "working" and thats it, one that did give result was 22.1 kbps...


Rook008
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said by kilrathi See Profile
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There is an issue indicated in Far Rockaway...

That's odd. I'm in Far Rockaway and my service has been pretty good for a while now (a few weeks, at least). I had some slow-downs Sunday night, but otherwise it's back to normal.
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kilrathi
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Its actually seagart ave near far rockaway, its still shown on network mainteance page, but I doubt its related to my problems and its good chance its only limited to that area. But my problems are horrible right now.



kilrathi
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Today same exact problem is occuring as yesterday t3 time out errors and upstream packet loss during day, wonder if at evening and night i will have unusuable connection and no upstream at all basically again. Calling client relations now to see if I can speed up truck roll and whole process sigh

Saturday, same thing continuing...



kilrathi
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I spoke with a very informative level 3 tech today and he looked at my upstream snr history for past week or so and he even remembers me from talking in the summer. He was suprised noone resolved my issue yet. He looked at all the 4 upstream ports as he sees them on the tool he was using and basically all 4 are constantly below 26dB SNR, at the time I called it was at 20 and one of the upstream channels was as low as 17. I made sure he added those notes so that the regular tech that comes tomorrow does his job and based on this refers this to plant because him and me agreed that only a plant tech resolve this issue. This is clearly a problem on time warner end, its a clear issue its not some mysterious problem where I complain about speed, UPSTREAM SNR SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST 26dB by TW specs for customer and my upstream SNR is around 20 average dips below 18 at times. THIS IS SOMETHING only a tw plant tech can fix and yet they still making me go through loops before I can get plant technician sent here. Tomorrow gotta keep calling client relations until I speak to someone who can do something to help and also tech visit I hope he can look up at the notes level 3 put on my account.

I am highly frustrated at time warner inability to fix a clear issue on the local lines here which results in upstream snr being way out of spec.

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kilrathi
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Re: [TWC] packet loss / service degraded - amp in rockaway park,

Follow up.

A regular tech that was very smart and understood the situation came today a person whom I seen before over summer. He took readings at my apt, on the ground block and at the tap itself. He also followed up with logged data for my upstream snr which shows that upstream snr is out of spec every day between 6pm and 7am. Other time of the day its about borderline at 26dB. He forwarded all that information and a plant tech supposed to come out tomorrow. He also said that right at the tap where I am hooked up, right there there is broken port where one tap is totally unusable and thus cannot be terminated properly which right there could cause some noise, thats a first thing plant tech should fix and after that a plant tech will have to monitor after 6pm to see where the noise is that causes the upstream snr to go so much out of spec.

I have hope progress now can be made on this, will follow up with client relations regarding plant tech job # which I have now written down.



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said by kilrathi:

I am highly frustrated at time warner inability to fix a clear issue on the local lines here which results in upstream snr being way out of spec.

I wonder how much of it is caused by repetitive theft and/or vandalism which is causing the upstream SNR problems.

There were areas I worked where the minute I disco'd an illegal and left, the thief would snap off the locking terminator and reconnect.
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