Topic 'Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb' in forum 'AT&T Southeast' - dslreports.com

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:02:26 EDT

DataRiker posted : As someone who spends a lot of time in poor rural areas I can tell you DSL is a major player in rural broadband. ( As in the only type south of where I live and west too )

Getting lines subsidized then offering capped and extremely slow broadband services over those lines is a little irksome.

Its a very simple principle.

There is not a rural telco in the US during the 90s-2000s that didn't take USF funds.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Thu, 31 May 2012 23:45:17 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by DataRiker:

And for CAPS, the last time I checked DSL was served over phone lines and in some ( many?) cases phone lines payed for completely by tax payers.

No, they were not.

In any case, DSL does not impose any additional requirements for the "Last Mile" of copper in any manner that requires data caps.
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Thu, 31 May 2012 22:01:58 EDT

DataRiker posted : The USF was a slush fund until 2011 and will continue to be that probably forever under a different name.

The FCC being completely incompetent has relegated decision making about worthiness of USF funds for particular areas up to the Telco's themselves.

This has resulted in time after time the telco's using this money for well to do suburban areas. ( or to millionaire subdivisions )

And on the front page today the article reads "AT&T Mulls Upgrading Rural Lines Instead Of Selling Them"

Poor rural areas is specifically what USF was designed for.

And for CAPS, the last time I checked DSL was served over phone lines and in some ( many?) cases phone lines payed for completely by tax payers.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Thu, 31 May 2012 13:15:58 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by ANONDOG :

Norman,

Telcos got enough money before you stopped paying USF to last a lifetime.

Don't really see your justification here.

Not trying to "justify" anything. Just trying to understand:

A:) Why people make claims as if they were factual without factual support.

B:) What any of this has to do with caps.
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Wed, 30 May 2012 00:32:48 EDT

w4ncr posted : Plus remember you have to be a lawyer Most of them become lobbyists for companies somewhere down the road they become politicians and we the people go vote for them !

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 23:41:38 EDT

anon posted : Norman,

Telcos got enough money before you stopped paying USF to last a lifetime.

Don't really see your justification here.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 23:07:35 EDT

cramer posted : I'm not saying it isn't a waste -- it clearly is. What the carrier collects, the carrier keeps. ATT isn't sending checks to some .gov office managing "the USF money". In that sense, it's not a "fund"; it's merely a rule allowing carriers to change their customers a fee to recover the costs of providing Universal Service(tm). While I applaud the idea, every part of it's execution is flawed.

[FCC regulatory cost fee -- "line access fee", etc. -- is another example. As is the "regulatory cost recovery fee". Yet more BS to raise the price of services without changing the advertised price or having to get approval for changing a regulated price.]

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 22:04:25 EDT

heels_fan posted :

said by decifal:

I don't see a republican/democrat sucks comment on my post.. This is an ATT forum. This is ATT activity or there lack of.. What? You just want post of speedtest from users of att all day?..

And the sig containing the inauguration date of the current president and calling it the start of socialism is a political statement.. It would be like me saying 9-11-01-The start of Bush/Cheny's big oil boom.

I think you need to figure out what a "sig" line.
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 20:47:44 EDT

Dampier posted :

said by cramer:

You do realize the money telco's collect for USF never leaves their hands, right?

Providing copper... yes, that stuff is expensive. Maintaining it, however, is an almost zero cost item (on average... telcos in hurricane prone areas aside.) While people do dig it up and pull it off poles, they charge those people for repairs. How much is it costing you to maintain the wiring (phone, power, data, etc.) in your house? Zero, or pretty close to it. It doesn't wear out or "go bad" unless it's been physically damaged.

Actually this isn't really true. Verizon and AT&T allowed their landline networks to go to pot in a lot of states and we're dealing with the results. Those two companies in particular are a real mess in non-FiOS/U-verse areas. WV was a decrepit disaster when Frontier bought it (not that they are going to spend a ton of money to fix it all). What keeps things going are the number of customers leaving. Customers on bad pairs can be moved to an ex-landline customer's line until the cable completely falls apart.

USF funding -is- wasted in places, partly on inflated administrative costs and restrictive language that keeps companies using it inefficiently.

Companies won't spend the money to trash the outdated copper network in favor of fiber because of the lengthy return on investment and the dwindling number of wired landline customers left. They'd have to win them back.
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 16:57:43 EDT

cramer posted : You do realize the money telco's collect for USF never leaves their hands, right?

Providing copper... yes, that stuff is expensive. Maintaining it, however, is an almost zero cost item (on average... telcos in hurricane prone areas aside.) While people do dig it up and pull it off poles, they charge those people for repairs. How much is it costing you to maintain the wiring (phone, power, data, etc.) in your house? Zero, or pretty close to it. It doesn't wear out or "go bad" unless it's been physically damaged.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 16:46:19 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by DataRiker:

USF ...

Not since 2003, or so, on my old AT&T bill. Not on my latest Sonic.net, LLC bill, either.
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Norman
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 14:46:29 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by NormanS:

said by jxsilicon9:

None of them should be capping anything because their lines are subsidized by taxpayers ...

Citation?

USF The grand Mother of slush funds. 0 Transparency and vast amounts of cash that just evaporate into thin air, with nothing but aging semi-functional lines to show for it.

DSL rides over these lines, thus defacto subsidy that really isn't ( ? go figure ? )

But here's the catch. Providing and maintaining copper telco infrastructure is very costly, but pushing more bits per month isn't really that costly ( if at all ).

Telco's should simple charge more up front and give unlimited instead of deceptive style low prices with a bunch of gotcha's

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 09:02:39 EDT

decifal posted : I don't see a republican/democrat sucks comment on my post.. This is an ATT forum. This is ATT activity or there lack of.. What? You just want post of speedtest from users of att all day?..

And the sig containing the inauguration date of the current president and calling it the start of socialism is a political statement.. It would be like me saying 9-11-01-The start of Bush/Cheny's big oil boom.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Tue, 29 May 2012 05:10:50 EDT

Hayward posted : You really think broadband is NOT politically shaped?
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 16:55:31 EDT

heels_fan posted :

said by decifal:

said by heels_fan:

When did this turn into a Political forum?

There are many forums here at DSLR that cater to your political discussion.

I dont come to this forum to talk politics, and neither should anybody else.

Politics? Its simply the bloody truth.. They receive slush funds, thus they shouldn't cap. Why? Because they are taking in public money to build and maintain services and I am not even seeing this soo called build from the fund.. And to do yet another slap in the face while snatching the wallet they placed a cap? And then to further insult you they charge you for traffic both ways? You can call it what you want, but rape is rape.. And they know that "if" you even have another option in the area, its going to be just the local cable company.. A small treaty with them and presto.. They can do what ever the hell they want.. And they do.. Its pathetic. Some will say its business, but you can call a turd an airplane, but its still a turd.

Btw, your sig is kinda political as well. You might want to edit it if you feel that way :-p

Again, this is not a political forum. If you want to talk politics please post in one of the many political forums on DSLR.

And no, my sig is not political
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 16:27:39 EDT

decifal posted :

said by heels_fan:

When did this turn into a Political forum?

There are many forums here at DSLR that cater to your political discussion.

I dont come to this forum to talk politics, and neither should anybody else.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 14:23:00 EDT

heels_fan posted : When did this turn into a Political forum?

There are many forums here at DSLR that cater to your political discussion.

I dont come to this forum to talk politics, and neither should anybody else.
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Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 05:47:58 EDT

davidhoffman posted : I told my coworkers in the last 2 Federal elections that they were voting against their own best interests by voting Republican. They were convinced the government was going to take away their guns and ban Christianity if they did not vote Republican. After the elections came the Republican hatred for the unions they and their spouses belong to. The threats to increase employee contribution percentage to health insurance benefits. The reduction in public education expenditures to increase tax cuts.

The Republicans get too many people to vote for them based on spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). Too many vote because they have little understanding of who the Republican Party really works for. It is not the average family.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 05:18:11 EDT

jxsilicon9 posted : It was a battle against the telecom lobby to get LUS Fiber. I know the telecom lobby with their republican minions blocked a federal grant to build fiberoptic in my state.All these companies agreeing to caps is collusion at best.And instead of stopping them the government is trying to do anything to prevent community broadband.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 04:34:26 EDT

davidhoffman posted : The alternative where I live is to have Cox cable. I have 6.0 DSL. The similar priced Cox service would be Preferred which has a 200GB cap. There is no where to hide from caps. I would like my local electric cooperative to build a FTTH service similar to LUS Fiber. That will not occur at this time due to the geographic misalignment between the boundaries of the local government and the boundaries of the Flint Electric Cooperative.

Re: Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Mon, 28 May 2012 00:32:23 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by jxsilicon9:

None of them should be capping anything because their lines are subsidized by taxpayers ...

Citation?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Since I swtiched from ATT I don't go over 150gb

Sat, 26 May 2012 12:26:02 EDT

jxsilicon9 posted : I switched to Suddenlink. I have the 250gb limit now but I don't go anywhere near it and I don't even go past 150gb. But I still use the same amount of internet with ipad,xbox,ps3,etc that I used under ATT DSL. I noticed its because ATT also counts the upload bandwidth. Which is even more of a ripoff and Suddenlink only counts download.People should be running from ATT DSL in droves the way they rip people off. None of them should be capping anything because their lines are subsidized by taxpayers and they pay cents for gigabytes.That goes double for tier 1 companies.