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antdude
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Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it

»www.nytimes.com/2012/06/ ··· ran.html from »arstechnica.com/tech-pol ··· l-of-it/

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And thanks again, to the NYT (and others), for revealing "sources and methods".
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said by StuartMW:

And thanks again, to the NYT (and others), for revealing "sources and methods".

Not every administrations "Sources and methods". Selective journalism.

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... This account of the American and Israeli effort to undermine the Iranian nuclear program is based on interviews over the past 18 months with current and former American, European and Israeli officials involved in the program, as well as a range of outside experts. None would allow their names to be used because the effort remains highly classified, and parts of it continue to this day. ...
If they were American or Israeli officials "involved in the program", they would all have taken an oath of secrecy. Presumably likewise for European officials. So much for honoring one's word.

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These days spies seem more interested in breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back rather than actually being, well, spies (i.e. secret).

From the 2nd link in the OP.
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“That was our holy grail,” one of the architects of the plan said. “It turns out there is always an idiot around who doesn’t think much about the thumb drive in their hand.”

Translated: we're so clever and they're sooo dumb.

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It appears to be the first time the United States has repeatedly used been publicly caught using cyberweapons to cripple another country’s infrastructure...


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Oh my goodness..yet another thingie we can blame Bush for starting..but now it is election year and the current guy wants to show all ya'll he is tough on Iran.

Why Antivirus Companies Like Mine Failed to Catch Flame and Stuxnet
»www.wired.com/threatleve ··· ty-fail/

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said by Name Game:

...the current guy wants to show all ya'll he is tough on Iran.

Well I'm sure the Iranians are shaking in their boots as are the North Koreans.
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Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

Team America: World Police (2004)


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How about today..

"The UN condemns Syria 'atrocities'". Well that's that lads, good job, we can all go to sleep in the knowledge that we've done all we can to help the people of Syria.

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UN = Useless Nations
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Well, well... Now we know, that US government is actively developing computer viruses. Instead of focusing on much needed economic recovery, education and health of this nation, they spend money on new warfare. It tells a lot about priorities of this administration Spending on war(s) is always the first and most important priority, while everything else is way far behind (BTW, that's why we still in recession and some predict even more time will be needed to recover). They say we spend money on warfare more then the rest of the world combined. That is absurd, that only brainwashed crowd can't see...

Now, when you discover a new virus on your computer look for a "Made in USA" label. And if you've found one, be proud that your tax money is well spent And it's done, of course, to protect our children and their future... Why it should be the only Sony, that has developed and put rootkit on your computer (as they say - "to protect copyright")? Now our government can make this country better too, by spending money on developing new spying tools / viruses (for your benefits, of course)... So, don't worry, be happy. And don't forget to vote for next candidate from two parties, both competing with each other for who will spend even more tax money on warfare next 4 years.
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said by Name Game:

How about today..

"The UN condemns Syria 'atrocities'". Well that's that lads, good job, we can all go to sleep in the knowledge that we've done all we can to help the people of Syria.

It's based on a working model. Why shouldn't it have worked. It worked so well for the IRANIAN protesters. And based on the BHO policies, it will work for the Syrian people too. (who survive).

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said by StuartMW:

said by Name Game:

...the current guy wants to show all ya'll he is tough on Iran.

Well I'm sure the Iranians are shaking in their boots as are the North Koreans.
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Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

Team America: World Police (2004)

Best Movie EVER!

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said by Name Game:

How about today..

"The UN condemns Syria 'atrocities'". Well that's that lads, good job, we can all go to sleep in the knowledge that we've done all we can to help the people of Syria.

You know how many people we could feed with the money we spend on the UN alone? What a farce.

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What was it that Ben Franklin is supposed to have said? "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

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said by rcdailey:

What was it that Ben Franklin is supposed to have said? "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

Actually, if looking at the news - what goes around just might come around and gives a certain level of legitimacy for Iran to potentially retaliate using not-so-cyber tools; especially given OUR country's assertion that IT has the right to retaliate for cyber attacks by using real weapons.

What a fine kettle o'fish we seemed to have opened, and the smell is not pleasant...
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said by goalieskates:

You know how many people we could feed with the money we spend on the UN alone? What a farce.

Of course it's the UN's fault, that we spend our tax money on making computer viruses now...
First Russia and China usually come to mind, followed by the UN. It's always them, not us... Business as usual.

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said by OZO:

said by goalieskates:

You know how many people we could feed with the money we spend on the UN alone? What a farce.

Of course it's the UN's fault, that we spend our tax money on making computer viruses now...
First Russia and China usually come to mind, followed by the UN. It's always them, not us... Business as usual.

I didn't say that. I was responding to a comment about the UN's efficient (and yes, that is sarcasm) handling of Syria's atrocities. I even quoted the comment to make it clearer.

Anything that stupid needs to be abandoned, it's not serving its intended purpose any more. Lot of that going around these days.

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said by goalieskates:

Anything the stupid needs to be abandoned...

Given the age of the UN building in NYC I've been hoping it'd topple into the East river but so far no such luck

Make a great location for some apartment buildings.

And the UN can move to Brussels. The Europeans would love it there.

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I think most of us here already knew what this article reveals... Not surprising in the least.

Related story: DARPA's Plan X: »www.washingtonpost.com/w ··· ory.html

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wired.com article
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The information comes in a new report from The New York Times, which asserts that an error in the code led it to spread to an engineer’s computer after it was hooked up to systems controlling the centrifuges at Iran’s uranium enrichment plant near Natanz. When the engineer left the Natanz facility, he spread it to other machines, writes Times reporter David Sanger, based on a book he has written that will be released next week. Sources told Sanger that they believed the Israelis introduced the error in the code. “We think there was a modification done by the Israelis,” an unidentified U.S. source reportedly told the president, “and we don’t know if we were part of that activity.” Vice President Joe Biden accused the Israelis of going “too far,” a source told Sanger.

According to the Times, Obama wondered to advisers whether the attack should be discontinued after Stuxnet began spreading, believing the operation might have been irrevocably compromised. “Should we shut this thing down?” Obama reportedly asked at a meeting in the White House Situation Room that included Biden and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time, Leon E. Panetta. But aides advised him that it should proceed since it was unclear how much the Iranians knew about the code, and the sabotage was still working.

At the time, security researchers were still furiously trying to figure out what Stuxnet was designed to do, and hadn’t yet discovered that it was attacking the centrifuges in Iran. They would later determine that it was very targeted code that was tailor-made to attack only machines in Iran’s enrichment program. Although it infected more than 100,000 computers in and out of Iran, it didn’t do damage to those computers. But given that U.S. authorities appeared to be unclear about what the Israelis might have done to change the code, the exchange between Obama and his advisors seems to indicate that Obama gave the order to continue without the administration knowing precisely whether the code might damage other machines outside of Iran.

In weeks following that meeting, Sanger writes, while researchers at Symantec in the United States were still examining the code, the Natanz plant was hit by a newer version of the computer worm. A few weeks after Stuxnet was detected and disclosed in July 2010, the malware temporarily took out about 1,000 centrifuges in Iran. The ongoing cyberattack authorized by Obama coincided with the Administration and members of Congress chastising China for its supposed roles in cyber-intrusions into government contractors, human rights groups and Western corporations.

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It all reminds me so much of the tete-a-tete that went on between sides during the Cold War. Pick a conflict subject - both sides doing it, both sides denying it, both sides evincing righteous indignation when the other side got caught doing it... endlessly. I guess that's all called "diplomacy"...

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said by Blackbird:

It all reminds me so much of the tete-a-tete that went on between sides during the Cold War. Pick a conflict subject - both sides doing it, both sides denying it, both sides evincing righteous indignation when the other side got caught doing it... endlessly. I guess that's all called "diplomacy"...

Remember, it's okay when WE do it, because WE are the GOOD GUYS. Everything WE do is A-OKAY, and whoever objects obviously sympathizes with the BAD GUYS, which makes them a BAD GUY and lets us do whatever we want to them.
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And now, after current administration has admitted its involvement, we have GOOD computer viruses (created by US government and Israel) and BAD viruses (the rest of the crowd)...

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And now, after current administration has admitted its involvement, we have GOOD computer viruses (created by US government and Israel) and BAD viruses (the rest of the crowd)...

Even if you're not sure..can't turn back now
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The Siberian pipeline sabotage

The Siberian pipeline sabotage refers to the alleged 1982 sabotage of the Soviet Urengoy–Surgut–Chelyabinsk natural gas pipeline by the CIA as a part of a policy to counter Soviet theft of Canadian technology.

The Trans-Siberian Pipeline, as planned, would have a level of complexity that would require advanced automated control software, Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition (SCADA). The pipeline used plans for a sophisticated control system and its software that had been stolen from a Canadian firm by the KGB. The CIA allegedly had the company insert a logic bomb in the program for sabotage purposes, eventually resulting in an explosion with the power of three kilotons of TNT.[1]

The CIA was tipped off to the Soviet intentions to steal the control system plans by documents in the Farewell Dossier. Seeking to derail their efforts, CIA director William J. Casey followed the counsel of economist Gus W. Weiss and a disinformation strategy was initiated to sell the Soviets deliberately flawed designs for stealth technology and space defense. Working with the Canadian firm that designed the pipeline control software, the CIA had the designers deliberately create flaws in the programming so that the Soviets would only get a compromised program. It is claimed that in June 1982, flaws in the stolen software led to a massive explosion of part of the pipeline.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si ··· sabotage

National Security Council staffer Thomas C. Reed documented the operation in his book, At the Abyss: An Insider's History of the Cold War.[2] In 2004, Reed, a former Air Force secretary of the Reagan administration, wrote that they had added a Trojan horse to equipment that the Soviet Union obtained from a company in Canada. When the components were deployed on a Trans-Siberian gas pipeline, the Trojan horse led to a huge explosion, according to Reed.[3] As Reed explained, "The pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines and valves was programmed to go haywire, to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to the pipeline joints and welds. The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space." [2]

The explosion was so large that the White House received warning from U.S. early-warning satellites of a bizarre event in a remote area of the Soviet Union. NORAD had initially feared that the event was a missile launch from an area previously not known to host missile launching facilities.

As the explosion occurred in a remote area, no casualties are known to have resulted.

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May be of interest to you OZ..

Stuxnets are Not in the US National Interest: An Arsonist Calling for Better Fire Codes
»www.acus.org/new_atlanti ··· re-codes

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said by Blackbird:

If they were American or Israeli officials "involved in the program", they would all have taken an oath of secrecy. Presumably likewise for European officials. So much for honoring one's word.

Not an US friendly article but might give a hint about the timing of this public disclosure. From an Iranian perspective at least.
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And, indeed, what explains the peculiar timing of this public disclosure only a couple of weeks before the crucial Iran talk in Moscow scheduled for June 18 and 19?
source

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said by MeDuZa:

... Not an US friendly article but might give a hint about the timing of this public disclosure. From an Iranian perspective at least.

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And, indeed, what explains the peculiar timing of this public disclosure only a couple of weeks before the crucial Iran talk in Moscow scheduled for June 18 and 19?
source

Unfortunately, the article offers no real answers to their question. So one is left to speculate... and one speculation is that it's all part of a spin up to some coming actions that are much more serious. After all, "we did all we otherwise could to block their weaponization program, including trying cyberwar". In which case, we'll witness yet another undeclared war.