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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : Keep the Faith!, People.<br>We are making some progress. Keep posting robo-call info right on the FTC & FCC Facebook page! Finally-one at a time- it gets attention. AWD's violations were reported to the AZ AG last December 2011.<br>And,<br>Last week, the FTC sued Ambrosia Web Design/Concord Financial Advisors, LLC/Key One Solutions, operating in Arizona.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1223174/" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1223174/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Umitencho posted : I got a call myself.<br><br>417-800-2301]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Bah!<br>Hoped that the recent FCC smackdown would have stopped it but I just got another call from "Rachel" today and asked about the FCC ruling to be funny and they said "we'll be around for a loooooong time *click*"<br>Oh well, we can keep wishing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[pc319 posted : I really hope that this is the end for Rachel, but she's popped up again before.<br><br>From: &raquo;<A HREF="http://ftc.gov/opa/2012/11/robocalls.shtm" >ftc.gov/opa/2012/11/robocalls.shtm</A><br><div class="bquote"><p>The FTC&#146;s Law Enforcement Cases<br><br>The five complaints announced today were filed against the following companies and their principals: 1) Treasure Your Success, 2) Ambrosia Web Design, 3) A+ Financial Center, LLC, 4) The Green Savers, and 5) Key One Solutions, LLC.  Each complaint alleges, among other things, that the defendants violated the FTC Act by misrepresenting that consumers who buy their services:<br><br>will have their credit card interest rates reduced substantially; and<br>will save thousands of dollars as a result of lowered credit card interest rates.<br>Four of the five complaints announced today also charge that the defendants violated the FTC Act by making other misrepresentations, such as claiming that consumers who buy their services will be able to pay off their debts much faster as a result of lowered credit card interest rates and making false claims about their refund policies.<br><br>The complaints also charge the defendants with multiple violations of the Telemarketing Sales Rule (TSR), for misrepresenting their services, calling numbers on the Do Not Call Registry, and collecting up-front fees.  The TSR also specifically prohibits charging or receiving a fee in advance of providing debt relief services and misrepresenting the terms and conditions of debt relief services.<br><br>Finally, the complaints charge that the defendants are responsible for making illegal robocalls, in violation of the TSR.  Nearly all pre-recorded telemarketing calls have been prohibited since September 1, 2009.   In the FTC&#146;s experience, companies such as these often hire others to make calls on their behalf.  The FTC alleges in each case that the defendants themselves are legally responsible for making the robocalls.<br><br>The Commission votes authorizing the staff to file each complaint were 5-0.  The complaints were filed in the U.S. district courts listed below.  In filing the complaints, the FTC seeks to permanently stop the defendants&#146; allegedly illegal conduct.  In each case, the court granted the FTC&#146;s request for a temporary restraining order, which halts the operations pending further court proceedings.<br><br>The case against Treasure Your Success was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida against the following defendants:  WV Universal Management, LLC, also doing business as Treasure Your Success; Global Financial Assist, LLC; Leading Production, LLC; Willy Plancher, individually and as a member of WV Universal Management, LLC; and Valbona Toska, individually and as a member of WV Universal Management, LLC.<br><br>The case against Ambrosia Web Design was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona against the following defendants:  Ambrosia Web Design LLC, also doing business as AWD; Concord Financial Advisors LLC; CAM Services Direct LLC; AFB LLC; Western GPS LLC; Chris Ambrosia, individually and as a manager of Ambrosia Web Design LLC, AFB LLC, and CAM Services Direct LLC; and LeRoy Castine, a/k/a Lee Castine, individually and as a manager of Ambrosia Web Design LLC, Concord Financial Advisors LLC, AFB LLC, and Western GPS LLC.<br><br>The case against A+ Financial Center, LLC was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida against the following defendants:  A+ Financial Center, LLC, also doing business as Accelerated Financial Centers, LLC; Accelerated Accounting Services LLC; Christopher L. Miano, individually and as the managing member of Accelerated Accounting Services LLC; and Dana M. Miano, individually and as the managing member of A+ Financial Center, LLC.<br><br>The case against The Green Savers, LLC was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida against the following defendants:  The Greens Savers, LLC, also doing business as Elite Services and Advanced Data Solutions; Christopher Adams, individually and as a member of The Green Savers, LLC; and Vikash Jawalapersad, also d/b/a Pavac, Inc., individually and as a member of The Green Savers, LLC.<br><br>The case against Key One Solutions, LLC was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona against the following defendants: ELH Consulting, LLC, also doing business as Proactive Planning Solutions; Purchase Power Solutions, LLC; Allied Corporate Connection, LLC; Complete Financial Strategies, LLC; 3Point14 Consulting, LLC, also d/b/a Elite Planning Group; Key Tech Software Solutions, LLC, also d/b/a Key One Solutions; Emory L. Holley IV, a/k/a Jack Holley, individually and as the sole member of ELH Consulting, LLC; Lisa Miller, individually and as the sole member of Allied Corporate Connection, LLC, Complete Financial Strategies, LLC, and Purchase Power Solutions, LLC; Rares Stelea, individually and as the sole member of 3Point14 Consulting, LLC; and Justin Journay, individually and as the sole member of Key Tech Software Solutions, LLC.</p></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wolfy339 posted : They called 3x just this morning :mad:.  Don't have CallerID so couldn't grab the numbers.  Funny part is no one here has any credit card debt.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kibbles posted : I have noticed a huge drop in the "credit services" calls...I used to get 7-10 a week...now its maybe 1-2 a week...could the telephone company they were using dropped them?<br><br>What  I used to do is cuss them out...now  I just tell the caller that I will be over in 15 minutes...then hang up on them.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.angryrenter.com/" >www.angryrenter.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : Record, and put em on youtube. They really hate that! We&#146;ve got &#147;thumbs down&#148;, and warnings of suspension when posting the Truth about the slimebags, but the robo-calls, and typical idiot telemarketer calls have fallen off quite a bit.<br><br>Recent reports show quite an increase in the outsourced foreign, terrorist talking &#147;service reps&#148; again. When the heat is on the domestic call center scammers, they all run like rats, using foreign call centers. Then back to the domestic call centers, when the complaints about terrorist threats made by the jerks that cant properly speak English begin to mount up again.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Watch how you play with them, They can be quite vindictive. One way they can get you back after you annoy them big time is they will place your number as a number for others to call to be placed on the "do not call list". The result, you will have to deal with real people calling you for days. Just wanted to let you all know.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Umitencho posted : I bet neither of those are their actual names unless they are that stupid. Then again this scam has been running this long. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : Notice how the illegal robo-dialers and &#147;cardholder services&#148; siphon the money they&#146;ve stolen- off to their foreign business transfer entities to Argentina and Hungary.<br> I&#146;ve also seen Poland, and the Netherlands, just to name a few.<br>  <br>&#147;Koster filed the lawsuit against Marketing Strategy Group of Hungary, Transfers Argentina SA of Argentina, Capital Solutions Group SA, Castle Rock Management SA, Castle Rock Capital Management and Randy Cox, Jr., a Calif. resident who is the owner of the five corporations.&#148; <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/236974-koster-sues-five-companies-over-calls" >www.legalnewsline.com/news/23697&middot;&middot;&middot;er-calls</A><br><br>&#147;Roy M Cox Jr.&#148; has already been sued by the FTC.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm</A><br><br>So, who's this Randy Cox? One source indicates that &#147;Roy Michael Cox&#148; may be using &#147;Randy Cox&#148; as a possible alias name.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=Roy&mn=M&ln=Cox&city=&state=CA&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&Age=" >www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType&middot;&middot;&middot;by=&Age=</A> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1840083" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1840083');">Umitencho</a>:</said><p>I hope this lawsuit actually goes somewhere.<br> </p></div>I hope I win the lottery so I can hire someone to screen my phone calls.<br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--<br>The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Umitencho posted : I hope this lawsuit actually goes somewhere.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : Arkansas sues Illegal robo-callers Associated Accounting Specialists Inc<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2012/aug/09/arkansas-sues-5-telemarketing-firms/" >www.arkansasonline.com/news/2012&middot;&middot;&middot;g-firms/</A><br><br>According to McDaniel&#146;s office, the subjects of the lawsuits are: Associated Accounting Specialists Inc., of Port St. Lucie, Fla., and its owner, William Page; Business First Solutions Inc., of Orlando, Fla., and its owners, Jonathon Warren and Edward Warren; Financial Ladder Inc. of Saint Cloud, Fla., and its owners, Brenda Helfenstine and Antonia Helfenstine; Financial Management Partners Inc. of Maitland, Fla., and its owners, Betsy Valorose and Eric Pugh; and Kenneth Sallies of Winter Springs, Fla., former owner of the now-defunct Customer Global Services LLC.&#148; <br><br>Missouri sues Roy/Randy Cox-  Castle Rock Capital Management out of CA <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/236974-koster-sues-five-companies-over-calls" >www.legalnewsline.com/news/23697&middot;&middot;&middot;er-calls</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1692995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1692995');">Chubbysumo</a>:</said><p>I can't find it right now, but there was a city in Wisconsin that started a municipal email news letter and was forced to give out all the email addresses that were receiving it from a public records request. Anyone can request voters lists, since it's considered public records. I am betting that they are getting a majority of their phone numbers from things like that because you can get voters lists from most states online without any hassle or fee, at nearly any time of day. Just ask any political candidate, or a campaign manager(Been there, done with that). I can walk to any courthouse, and request public voters lists, and they don't even question it, they just want to know which counties, and most of them can now be emailed in a format that these dialers can read from with no changes. don't call BS before you know. <br> </p></div>the whole idea is that they get a known area code and exchange and go 0001-9999<br><br>for example NYC's general info number starts with (212)-692 so the auto dialer goes 212-692-0001 then <br><br>212-692-0002<br>212-692-0003<br>...<br>...<br>...<br>212-692-9997<br>212-692-9998<br>212-692-9999<br><br>It doesn't matter if only one number works, this is why they employ an auto dialer. The robot keeps dialing and dialing and dialing. <br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--<br>The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrStrange posted : As long as the client owns the return number, that's fine.  I agree with you that the scammers are probably using this system to break the law, though. They may or may not be offshore, but offshore would be cheaper and equally technically feasible so it's a strong probability.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Chubbysumo posted : I can't find it right now, but there was a city in Wisconsin that started a municipal email news letter and was forced to give out all the email addresses that were receiving it from a public records request. Anyone can request voters lists, since it's considered public records. I am betting that they are getting a majority of their phone numbers from things like that because you can get voters lists from most states online without any hassle or fee, at nearly any time of day. Just ask any political candidate, or a campaign manager(Been there, done with that). I can walk to any courthouse, and request public voters lists, and they don't even question it, they just want to know which counties, and most of them can now be emailed in a format that these dialers can read from with no changes. don't call BS before you know. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Chubbysumo posted : We don't spoof numbers, we legally purchase and update all the return numbers we use, or our clients provide us with a return number that they have to prove the purchased the use of. I'm just saying, we have tested it by putting in a random number for the outgoing, then had the system calling our personal phones, and we found that whatever the CID info was last registered with that number is what shows up. They( the scammers) probably don't even own or lease the phone numbers they are using, thus, they just put something in, and out dial on VoIP lines.  The scammers are likely off shore, using mules to get numbers and then dialing them. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : And also contact the FBI about the robo-dialers and cardholder services continuous violations of the RICO Act- <br>Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act U.S.C. Title 18, Chapter 96 § 1962:<br> <br>Sections 891-894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices),&#148; <br>Section 1 of Pub. L. 91-452 provided in part that: "The Congress finds that (1) organized crime in the United States is a highly sophisticated, diversified, and widespread activity that annually drains billions of dollars from America's economy by unlawful conduct and the illegal use of force, fraud, and corruption; <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_18.shtml" >uscode.house.gov/download/title_18.shtml</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C96.txt" >uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C96.txt</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrStrange posted : Thanks for the info.<br><br>Maybe a little pressure from other states whose residents have been phone-bombed by Pacific Telecom's operation will grease the wheels of justice here.  Complain to the relevant state AG and copy to your home state's AG.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : There&#146;s a ton of info about scumbag Pacific Telecom robo-dialer operating in Oregon, Montana, North Dakota, and Washington here-<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://telemarketerspam.wordpress.com/" >telemarketerspam.wordpress.com/</A><br><br> Also from complaintwire-<br><br>On July 10th, 2012, the staff of the Oregon Public Utilities Commission recommended that Pacific Telecom Communications Group&#146;s certificate of authority to provide telecommunications service in Oregon be revoked.<br>Pacific Telecom violated rule OAR 860-032-0060, which requires telecom utilities to submit annual reports to the Public Utilities Commission. Pacific Telecom failed to submit an annual report for the year 2011.<br>If this decision is finalized, it will prevent Pacific Telecom&#146;s 22,000 Oregon telephone numbers from being used for illegal telemarketing purposes. Pacific Telecom has 60 days to file for a reconsideration of this decision.<br>Formal complaints against Pacific Telecom can be filed with the Oregon Public Utilities Commission by visiting:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://apps.puc.state.or.us/consumer/complaint.asp" >apps.puc.state.or.us/consumer/complaint.asp</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://complaintwire.org/complaint/iagBAAAAAAA/account-services/6" >complaintwire.org/complaint/iagB&middot;&middot;&middot;rvices/6</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1692995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1692995');">Chubbysumo</a>:</said><p> They are calling from VoIP lines(most likely google voice lines), so they can be originating anywhere. <br> </p></div>I call BS on this. <br><br>As for DNC and Voter registration, I also call BS. The reason the whole system is automated is because the call sequentially over every known exchange.<br><small>--<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--<br>The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrStrange posted : Don't use that equipment to call anyone in CT. :)<br><br>You might get a call from the AG. It's illegal to spoof caller ID calling CT numbers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Chubbysumo posted : for all those getting these calls, dont even bother posting the number or the name that came with it, its all spoofed.  I run a call center, and its probably close to the same software they are using.  All I have to do is change the "outdial" number to show whatever name and number I want.  legally, they should be correct, but if I put in a number thats already in use by someone else(tried calling myself, from myself), it shows up with the correct CID info for that number they are using.  They are calling from VoIP lines(most likely google voice lines), so they can be originating anywhere.  Best practice is to just waste their time as much as you can(fake CC numbers work well), and once they figured out you were wasting their time, they will never call back.  <br><br>PS, they more than likely pull their numbers to call from the national DNC registry, and voters lists(which can be obtained by nearly anyone without question as to what they are going to be used for).  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nwrickert posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Wyo_Scot :</said><p>... and have tried to reason with the other person <br> </p></div>A complete waste of time.<br><small>--<br>AT&T Uverse; Zyxel NBG334W router (behind the 2wire gateway);  openSuSE 12.1; firefox 14.0.1</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I keep getting this Card Holder Service crap and have tried to reason with the other person - thinking maybe they are idoits and don't really know they are scamming and are just working for $10 an hour or whatever.   I try to tell them to go to local police and report and mention that there is a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest of there boss.  I think they know I know about there scam now though and even though I push 1 to try and lead them on they just hang up on me now.  IF ANYONE EVER FINDS ONE OF THEIR CALL CENTERS IN COLORADO OR WYOMING LET ME KNOW and I Will do something about it MYSELF! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : I&#146;ve been copying all the Consumer complaints that describe Abuse to the Elderly, Terrorist type threats, and Harassment, etc. Its corporate abuse. We did a algorithms test, and got this never heard before robo. Its not pertinent to the region. It was intended to be a special message, but also terrified other innocent Americans.<br>Transcript:<br>&#147;Hello, The FBI reports there was a home break-in every 15 seconds. Your local police recommends you protect your homes. If you will allow us to place a small sign in your yard, we will install a new security system at absolutely no cost to you whatsoever! <br>There is no cost for the system or the installation, whatsoever! To hear more, press one now&#148; ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : This will be my last post. Apparently someone does read my posts since they followed it back here and cut and pasted the information before I could verify it and added it to one of my old posts and blasted it all over the Internet.<br>What I have found out is that a phone number was being used by a Costa Rica call center to sell Time Shares for a company called TS Solutions. Someone along the line named "Buster" somehow associated GW Timeshare with TS Solutions (don't know how). Someone else came along and verified that they had talked to that company.<br>Now the Costa Rica call center is using that number in a Card Services robocall and someone (possibly Buster) is pasting my posts everywhere blaming GW Timeshare. I don't know if they were involved with TS Solutions and I don't care. My beef is with Rachel, Heather, Ann and whatever name they use this week. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrStrange posted : We have the laws.  Read the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/policy/TCPA-Rules.pdf" >transition.fcc.gov/cgb/policy/TCPA-Rules.pdf</A><br><br>We just need to ensure that existing law is strictly enforced.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Today I started getting "You won a free cruise" calls. I've given up posting on the complaint boards, since no one really reads them and my stuff just getting re-posted with unverified information. My new tactic is to start bugging our politicians to pass laws that will do some good and going after the phone companies to block spoofed numbers (if that is possible).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Whip posted : 505-455-6121]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : One of my cell phones is a company phone for emergency use only so it has never been given out for anything that could be considered consent. It has been called more than 75 times.<br>I ran across some information by someone that has obviously been doing some research.<br>"The latest reports indicate that this is a scam currently being conducted by these 2 companies:<br><br>  America's Reading Choice ,  4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339, (770) 293-0150    Teresa Boughton  (404) 552-3111  or her partner Mingai  404-437-0333   .<br>  Also operating as WorldWide Concepts Inc,  4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339    (Spoofing Phone # 971-220-1032 and 360-529-6177)<br><br>  GW Timeshare Services, 701 N Hermitage Road, Suite 26 Hermitage, PA      Steve Nagy 724-979-4345<br>  Also operating as Groupwise Inc, 151 N Hermitage Rd, Hermitage, PA  724-979-4345    (Spoofing Phone # 832-377-3059)"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : I hear what your saying, but the more we Consumers know, the better. Also, for those that fell for the scam, and for when the scammers threaten to attack us Consumers.  They&#146;ll deny doing anything unlawful, and spout crap about &#147;helping&#148; sooooo many people. <br>Its always the same shill &#147;telemarketer&#148; routine. Legitimate business knows since Do Not Call the telephone is a dead duck for cold calling. Virtually everyone is on the list.<br><br>And, we&#146;ve all heard the scammer argument before, that consumers are giving consent to receiving telemarketing calls by agreeing to stuff online, using their credit cards, and such nonsense. <br>They haven&#146;t said whether or not that includes using your grocery discount card, or a new phone number.<br><br>Well, It&#146;s not a &#147;contract&#148;, when one party benefits more,  and &#147;cardholder services&#148; certainly always benefits more! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[garys_2k posted : Yeah, but since they don't give a sh*t about the law none of that applies to them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : OK, I finally got around to posting this; it&#146;s the Law!<br>Just the facts-<br>#1:  The Written TCPA Policies that these clown robo-dialers and &#147;cardholder services&#148; are supposed to Have AND Provide to ANYONE whom requests.<br>This bunch had their &#147;Policies&#148; up on a pdf, but now its mysteriously disappeared. Go figure!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923174/120224ebersolecmpt.pdf" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923174/&middot;&middot;&middot;cmpt.pdf</A><br><br>And now &#147;B2B Telemarketing&#148; shows up here-   Hmmm. . .<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.voicebroadcasting.com/b2b_telemarketing.html" >www.voicebroadcasting.com/b2b_te&middot;&middot;&middot;ing.html</A><br><br>#2: Has anyone actually been robo-ed by any such &#147;Trained Personnel&#148;, or just threatened, abused, harassed, or hung up on?<br><br>FCC CFR Title 47 Chapter 5, § 227<br>PART 64, Subpart L-<br>Restrictions on Telemarketing, Telephone Solicitation, and Facsimile Advertising<br> <br>  (1) Written policy. Persons or entities making calls for telemarketing purposes must <br>have a written policy, available upon demand, for maintaining a do-not-call list. <br>(2) Training of personnel engaged in telemarketing. Personnel engaged in any aspect of<br> telemarketing must be informed and trained in the existence and use of the do-not-call<br> list. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1835573" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1835573');">DeletedMedia</a>:</said><p>So, how come the same &#147;players&#148; keep showing up time and again?<br>Looks like Roy M. Cox Jr. who did the auto warranty scam, is back at it again with "GenuTec".<br> </p></div>Sadly, the FTC is ineffective when dealing with criminals and the criminals know that.  They can only levy fines and orders, not put them in jail.<br><br>There are years of so many well document examples all over this forum of scams and scammers that none of these actions stop.  It's as  MGD <A HREF="/useremail/u/666842"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27248828-">said earlier</a>, whack-a-mole:<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by MGD :</said><p>Civil action by the FTC against such criminals is totally ineffective. All of those involved know that they are violating FTC regulations. The FTC prohibits unsolicited calls for any kind of debt / interest rate reductions which require up front fees, period, and that is what these robo calls are about. The FTC civil actions have been nothing more than whack-a-mole interference. Which is why numerous individuals are the subject of repeated actions, despite signing prior agreements that prohibit future involvement. The FTC levies huge fines, then rescinds them based on inability to pay. The FTC settles for the minimal cash on hand, and enjoins them from future "telemarketing". The criminals sign off, then go right back to business. The entire operations are clearly criminal, intent to defraud, etc, and should be dealt with in criminal court and not by civil actions.</p></div>As evidence of this:<br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/05/robocalls.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/05/robocalls.shtm</A> :</SMALL><HR>Some of the defendants used offshore shell corporations to try to avoid scrutiny, and a top officer in the telemarketing company bragged to prospective clients that he could operate outside the law without any chance of being caught by the FTC, the papers stated. This defendant also claimed that he makes 1.8 million dials per day and that he had done more than $40 million worth of dialing for extended warranty companies, including one billion dials on behalf of his largest client, according to the court papers filed by the FTC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br> MGD <A HREF="/useremail/u/666842"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> in his earlier post, said he's going to do a write up of this whole mess.  He's a busy guy, but one of the best scam busters around so I look forward to what he finds out.<br><br>-Jim]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Billy Goates :</said><p>I'm just someone that has gotten fed up with the over 200 calls from these con artists (also tired of Microsoft overpriced licensing, hence the name Billy Goates).<br> </p></div>Ah ok, Thanks Billy.  I missed a page in this thread and your earlier post.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[billydunwood posted : I get a call about 2x a week, sometimes more. When I play along, and finally start to give the 1800 number on the "back of the card", I say 1800 STOP CALLING ME. Now, the guy is saying, " oh how clever. Gay F*****. Your a Co**Sucker. Come suck my C****". I hope the phone calls are recorded. I think I might get the same guy every time. He sounds like a girl though.<br><small>--<br>No Victim=No Crime</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted :  :mad: By the way, I just got another call from "Rachael" as I was typing up my response. They won't even answer now when I press 1. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I know, but we must be careful that we don't end up with a liable suit. If he is not what he says he is, we will get him sooner or later.<br>By the way Chris, I may friend you on Facebook if I can get over your politics  :D (I'm and Independant).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : Billy Goates,<br>Please understand, I had re-posted comments made by someone unknown, who is obviously unhappy on complaintwire.<br>The re-posting was my bad reaction to again being robo-dialed in general, and not a personal vendetta against any innocent companys, if it's true. However, the thing that concerns me, is that a CEO of a company that does Business Marketing says has never even heard of "Rachel, at cardholder services". Come on!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : This one can be verified. Roy M. Cox Jr. has had a huge number of companies and continues to this day.<br>This just goes to show that civil penalties are a joke, we need criminal felony convictions<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/12/santa-ana-resident-accused-of-running-robocalling-telemarketing-companies.html" >latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_c&middot;&middot;&middot;ies.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I'm just someone that has gotten fed up with the over 200 calls from these con artists (also tired of Microsoft overpriced licensing, hence the name Billy Goates).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DeletedMedia posted : So, how come the same &#147;players&#148; keep showing up time and again?<br>Looks like Roy M. Cox Jr. who did the auto warranty scam, is back at it again with "GenuTec". <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=23957705" >investing.businessweek.com/resea&middot;&middot;&middot;23957705</A><br><br> The Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons or entities in active concert or participation with any of them are permanently restrained from violating TSR.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm</A><br><br>&#147;IV. Prohibitions Against Deceptive or Abusive Telemarketing Acts or Practices<br>IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, in connection with telemarketing, Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons or entities in active concert or participation with any of them who receive actual notice of this Order by personal service, facsimile transmission, email, or otherwise, whether acting directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device are hereby permanently restrained and enjoined from violating, causing others to violate, or assisting others who violate, any provision of the TSR, including, but not limited to:&#148;]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by JALevinworth :</said><p>Who knows where they get their lists from<br> </p></div>I'll add that I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Card Services people didn't get their lists from the "Your Auto Warranty is About to Expire!" robo scam <A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/09/twi.shtm">The FTC went after</a> that you may remember.<br><br>*Went after as in a <i>"24 million judgment against the defendants, which is suspended because of their inability to pay." </i> - Don't get me started, but that group is banned from making auto warranty robo calls.<br><br>Of course exchanging call lists shouldn't be legal anyway (since they are legally banned from <i>selling</i> their phone lists, but these types aren't exactly ones who are bothered by little things like rules and laws nor gray areas liking giving away things either. /UselessSpeculation<br><br>At least it sparked new rules and regulations on robo calls (full text here):<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt162.shtm" >www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consume&middot;&middot;&middot;162.shtm</A><br><b>Note: you have to opt-in via permission for telemarketers to call you now, and being on the do-not-call list isn't required for these rules to apply to you nor for you to file complaint at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.donotcall.gov" >www.donotcall.gov</A> if a telemarketer is breaking these rules.</b><br>Also: <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>How do I report improper robocalls?<br><br>If you receive prerecorded telemarketing calls but have not agreed to get them, file a complaint with the FTC at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.donotcall.gov" >www.donotcall.gov</A> or by phone at 1-888-382-1222.<br><br>The FTC works to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint or get free information on consumer issues, visit &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov" >www.ftc.gov</A> or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. Watch a video, How to File a Complaint, at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/video" >www.ftc.gov/video</A> to learn more. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The FTC press release on the Auto Warranty people states that 30,000 people on the do-not-call list made do-not-call list complaints about the Auto Warranty alone at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.donotcall.gov" >www.donotcall.gov</A>.  Flooding that agency's site too with complaints couldn't hurt, besides filing an FTC complaint too: &raquo;<A HREF="https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/" >www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/951613" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=951613');">carpetshark3</a>:</said><p>Calls have stopped for me also. What is puzzling -  we are a cell only family. I'm the main account holder. I get the calls. If these idiots are using a robodialer, then why aren't the other numbers receiving calls?<br><br>I asked the rest of the family, and they don't seem to be bothered by spam calls.<br> </p></div>I think it's assumed they are using <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_dialer">"predictive dial"</a>, rather than just robo - but assumed is the operative word, although logical and anecdotal evidence suggest that thus far.<br><br>It would seem that since you are the main account holder, your name is associated somewhere that others on your account isn't.  Who knows where they get their lists from, but the more people describe their experience, the more information out there to take into evidence.<br><br>What's good is that you aren't getting bothered anymore - at least for now.<br><br>-Jim]]></description>
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