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| Edmonton teacher suspended for giving 0's for work not done And he expects he'll be fired.
The school principal has directed that uncompleted assignments are to be listed as such and not factored into final grades.
The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught. |
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North York, ON | WTF? |
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bt
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| Exactly. My first thought from the headline was that he was giving out zeroes for some crazy strict reason. Not that they were given for work not handed in.... |
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The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught.
Perhaps the principal himself was the beneficiary of such a system. Apparently you can become the principal of a high school without having any understanding whatsoever of what a grade means!  |
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I don't see anything wrong with it. When I was a kid in HS teachers would grade us numerically and anything between 0 and 100% was fair game.
The way I see it, it gives the little monsters an incentive to turn in at least something even when they're bone ignorant and not waste everyone's time and money occupying a seat that could be occupied by someone who wants to learn.
I hope this physics teacher wins an award, not a pink slip  |
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Wow, parents and school boards siding with student laziness. Guess nobody wants to hear the word "deadline". I just can't wait to see what happens to these kids when they're too lazy to work in the real world.
Kudos to that teacher. He's doing it right. Students need to grow up and take some responsibility for themselves. |
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| said by vintagewino:Wow, parents and school boards siding with student laziness. Woah now. Read the article. A lot of parents are siding with the teacher. |
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I see the principal's point and the basis for the argument, but we don't know the details of the policy or how it was being applied. I always took exception to deducting marks based on attendance as well. Whether someone is there or not has no basis in their ability to understand the course material. That's what tests are for.
Still - a teacher defying the instructions of their boss, who ultimately has to suspend the teacher? This sounds like a serious internal discipline and morale issue at that school. |
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The issue here is whether there is a board policy for assignments not handed in, and if there is, as appears to be the case, whether it's being followed.
If the teacher is not following the policy, especially after being directed by the principal to so (who has to follow the same policy), then there is a reasonable expectation of disciplinary action.
The merits of the policy itself are a separate issue. A grade of 0 on assignments not handed in is pretty standard for post-secondary though.
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shouldn't be much of a surprise here...in Ontario, for several years now, as long as you show up for class and make an effort, you get a pass...and even the "show up and make an effort" is somewhat questionable.
if you wonder what will happen when the product of this system hits the "real world", take a look around you, it has been this way for some time already...the degradation of our society isn't a mere coincidence.
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said by digitalfutur:The issue here is whether there is a board policy for assignments not handed in, and if there is, as appears to be the case, whether it's being followed.
The article makes it sound like it was a school-level policy, not a board-level one. Though it does not explicitly state that. |
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donoreoPremium
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said by Gone:Still - a teacher defying the instructions of their boss, who ultimately has to suspend the teacher? This sounds like a serious internal discipline and morale issue at that school.
Yes, this is the issue. Still, the policy is a great big WTF? You do not do it, you get zero. That is how life works. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | said by donoreo:Yes, this is the issue. Still, the policy is a great big WTF? You do not do it, you get zero. That is how life works.
sorry, don...they stopped doing that in school some time ago...no zeros, everyone wins a medal, no spankings...the list goes on...we now live in the world that (stupid) thinking created. |
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said by donoreo:You do not do it, you get zero. That is how life works. That isn't always how life works, though. |
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| said by Gone:said by donoreo:You do not do it, you get zero. That is how life works. That isn't always how life works, though. Yeah Usually they get promoted! |
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| said by Doonz:Yeah Usually they get promoted! Haha, sometimes, yeah |
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If he knew the rule he should have given each student a 1% instead of a 0% .. same messagem just protects his own butt in the process
(I am ok with him giving 0% ... it is sad though that he got suspended)
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said by Gone:said by Doonz:Yeah Usually they get promoted! Haha, sometimes, yeah Well since this is a policy that supposedly the Adults put in place.. Im guessing they figure kids floating through school will succeed in life.... |
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donoreoPremium
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North York, ON | reply to Gone
said by Gone:said by donoreo:You do not do it, you get zero. That is how life works. That isn't always how life works, though. Yes, that thing called luck. Generally though, it is how it works. As someone suggested he could have done 1% and got his point across, but still, how can one justify even 1% for work not done?
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said by Doonz:Well since this is a policy that supposedly the Adults put in place.. Im guessing they figure kids floating through school will succeed in life.... The problem is that no two kids are alike. There are some kids who can never show up for class, never do any assignments and then write the exam, get 100% and know more about the subject than the teacher who's teaching it. There are others who show up every day and struggle. Then there are others still who don't give two shits, never show up and have piss poor marks.
It's an imperfect system, and imperfect rules like this reflect that. |
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