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DC DSL
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[Rant] "Answer a question"

First they force you to endure a commercial to watch a video. Then came popovers shoving a "please register" or ad in front of you. Now we have "Answer a question to continue reading this page" blocking Every. Frickin. Page. on sites. Space.com is the latest to do this. No, I am not going to register or sign-in to Facebook for you. No, I am not going to share the page on Facebook for you.

The only reason sites do this is they don't get enough blowback and walkaways. Use those "Contact Us" links and tell these sites the practice is unacceptable. Advertising is not the problem: Forcing you to consume it is. No, it is not excusable by "their content, their terms." Most sites don't bother with making sure the ads on their sites are relevant or legit in the first place. In the case of Space.com, I stopped paying any attention to their ads after I clicked on what was supposed to be from Orion for a telescope. No. It was a scam "answer this survey and you have a chance to win a new Orion telescope" Same bs that Facebook does.

Don't just grouse about it online. Take it to the site management as well.

/rant
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Re: [Rant] "Answer a question"

adblocks an annoyance saver


dvd536
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said by BKayrac:

adblocks an annoyance saver

However some people use sites that don't function properly with ad blockers.

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.


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said by dvd536:

said by BKayrac:

adblocks an annoyance saver

However some people use sites that don't function properly with ad blockers.

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

Any examples?

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said by dvd536:

However some people use sites that don't function properly with ad blockers.

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

I stay clear of websites that do this. It's their loss.


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reply to DC DSL
Just bookmark telescope.com:Homepage

Right to Orion.


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said by dvd536:

said by BKayrac:

adblocks an annoyance saver

However some people use sites that don't function properly with ad blockers.

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

set a simple exception in the adblock addin of your choice.


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Ain't no webpage looking at my processes.


dvd536
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said by thegeek:

said by dvd536:

said by BKayrac:

adblocks an annoyance saver

However some people use sites that don't function properly with ad blockers.

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

set a simple exception in the adblock addin of your choice.

And how exactly does that help with sites that query processes? one site i use i know does that[changing the filename doesn't defeat it]


thegeek
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you should be able to set an exception to disable ad blocking for specific sites.


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»www.bugmenot.com/ might help


DC DSL
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None of these "suggestions" address the problem. The "answer a question" holds the content hostage unless the visitor responds. You'll either be turned away, or you'll get gibberish if you use a blocker to try and avoid playing along.

Users need to revolt against the practices, not quietly try to block them.
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dvd536
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said by thegeek:

you should be able to set an exception to disable ad blocking for specific sites.

Whitelisting does nothing for sites that query processes.


sivran
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said by dvd536:

said by thegeek:

you should be able to set an exception to disable ad blocking for specific sites.

Whitelisting does nothing for sites that query processes.

You keep saying there are sites that do that, but you never name one. Hmmmmmm
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thegeek
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i'm thinking they are weird fetish porn sites

chances14

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dvd536 See Profile

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

i'm actually surprised that more websites aren't like that now. I have yet to run into a website that does this, but i'm sure in the future as more people become aware of the adblockers that this will become more common



ArgyleDSL
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nydailynews.com does this. To read the full article you have to answer one or two survey questions.


DC DSL
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Follow-up: For those of you who don't think complaining to a website or company will do anything...

Response last Friday:

Thanks for your note. The survey you saw is part of a new revenue opportunity from Google that we're testing, along with about 40 other publishers. The test will change in coming days to adjust how often and where on our site a given reader sees a survey question. We recognize the need to balance advertising and things like this survey with an enjoyable reader experience, and we'll strive to find the balance that allows us to generate the revenue we need to grow our business, improve and expand the content we provide, and ultimately serve readers better and better . I'll make sure the team running the test sees your email — we're monitoring all this very closely. And thanks again for taking the time to chime in.

Sincerely,

Tariq Malik, Managing Editor

Yesterday

Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding our Google Survey on SPACE.com. We listened to input from you and others about the Survey that visitors were required to participate in before reading certain content on SPACE.com, and we're making changes. In our ongoing tests, the survey will now (Within the next 24 hours) be served up no more than once per month (so long as a person does not clear out / delete their cookies). Further testing will likely result in other setups. We hope to strike a balance between generating the revenue needed to support a viable media business and giving visitors a great experience. While we understand that you were frustrated with the initial rollout of this feature, we hope you'll try SPACE.com again and give us a chance to serve you well with great news & features every day.

We also had a few complaints that the Survey question was to invasive or personal. We wanted you to know that there is an option on the survey that says “I don’t know, show me another question” that should allow you to chose a different survey question that you might feel more comfortable in answering.

Marc Ropelato
Marketing Manager


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thegeek
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I've been browsing space.com for a while now, clicking on and reading different articles and have yet to get prompted for a survey. This is the first time in a very long time I have visited the site. I have Chrome set to erase all cookies on exit. I'm not getting the survey, what am I doing wrong? You'd think that since I've never had the survey I'd get it right away. Maybe Adblock Plus is blocking it.


DC DSL
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I noticed they pulled it last Monday and I haven't seen it since. I suspect it won't be more than a couple of weeks until they figure out how to inject it in a somewhat less obnoxious manner.

I did find out that if I viewed a hostage page with IE9 and looked at the page source, the content was there in the HTML. However, on FF or Chrome, the divs were blank or contained jibberish.

The question thing first appeared on YouTube early this year, where videos wouldn't play unless you answered or waited 20 seconds. The stated purpose was to keep bots from viewing...but in reality it was an attempt to thwart downloaders from extracting content. The questions on the YT version and the early websites implementing it were innocuous things like "What color is the sky" and you had to pick the correct one.

What really torqued me about space.com's implementation was it was asking what I consider impermissible *personal* questions for a public website. "What is your age group?" "What was your 2011 income bracket?" "Do you have children under 18 at home?" "What is your relationship status?" They did offer the alternative of "Sign-in using Facebook and Like space.com and you won't have to answer these questions." I refuse to link my FB account to anything...even having had my security settings as restrictive as possible, I still get a ton of spam that I can trace directly to FB.
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said by thegeek:

i'm thinking they are weird fetish porn sites

I think he's talkin out his ass.

Which might be one of those weird fetishes...
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said by chances14:

dvd536 See Profile

some webmasters actually code their pages to not serve up content if ads are blocked, others will actually look for processes of well-known blockers and send you to a NO page if found.

i'm actually surprised that more websites aren't like that now. I have yet to run into a website that does this, but i'm sure in the future as more people become aware of the adblockers that this will become more common

The main reason for not doing it is the effort ($$$$) involved. There is no one single, universal means of determining if ads are being blocked. And the blocking strategies of different programs and individual users can change frequently.

The other reason is unless a site has a very specific purpose and/or audience the operator can impose requiring absolute trust and acceptance of its behavior, it is foolish for the majority of sites to turn away pageviews and potential customers (not to mention Google, Bing or other spiders).

What I have done for some sites that wanted to penalize blocking visitors is to restrict functionality...like only letting them visit specific pages or sections, or injecting nagging interstitials for browsers we could determine were frequent visitors: "If you find this site useful/want to use feature-x, then we need you to help support the site by allowing us to serve third-party advertisements (or provide demographic data of interest to the business). We respect your choice and right to control your privacy and what appears on your screen; but if you would rather not support us, it is our choice and right to place limits on what we let you access."

Amazingly, people have had atomic conniption fits over being told there is a quid pro quo or that the Internet isn't all about them and what they want. I don't have problems with supporting sites I consider worthwhile and trustworthy. I draw the line at my email address, zip code, age and gender unless/until I decide a site has a valid reason for requiring more personal details *and* that I consider it worthwhile to disclose it. Sorry, but watching videos of puppies and kittens or reading nominally informative news articles does not meet my standards for disclosing any kind of personal information.
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