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Re: [Rant] Traffic laws people seem to not know, or ignore said by loosedobbs:So what's your hurry? You are just sitting in car. Is it difficult to use break and wait a few secs?
Wow, you completely missed two significant points in our posts.
1) We're referring to women pushing their babies ahead of them into intersections that clearly display a symbol not to walk; this means that other lights have a green light which means "drive right through" and most people do this, regardless of the rules you believe they should follow.
Or in other words, we're referring to stupid people that are pushing their babies into harm's way.
2) An intersection is designed to flow while that 'walk' or 'don't walk' message is intended to be followed as it's an integral aspect of that flow; one pedestrian walking when they shouldn't in certain areas, can cause traffic to backlog for at least 20 people for 5 minutes as they can easily prevent an advance green from working. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Mississauga, ON
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said by JustinEss:And yes this applies to BOTH sides of the road even if it's multi-lane(and even if it has a median). I've seen ambulances in the opposing lane of traffic multiple times due to congestion.
(Roads are actually designed to have an extra lane of space when people are pulled over, ie. a 4 lane road has room for 5 lanes)
»www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/···11.shtml
(If I were ever a cop, I'd just chase ambulances all day.)
The bolded section is incorrect.
If there is a median separating you from the emergency vehicle, you do not have to pull over and stop if you are on the side of the median not affected by the emergency vehicle.
If the road is multi-lane with no median, all drivers must move over to the right and stop.
Similar applies for school buses where if there is a median, those on the side of the median not affected by the bus do not have to stop. If there is no median, traffic in both directions must stop for the bus. |
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| I should better define median.
If its a full length median that runs the length of the block, yeah, pretty useless.
However there are a number of places where the traffic island/ median only runs a very short length(ex. near intersections), it IS a good idea to pull over, because that is the most likely place you'll see an emergency vehicle against the flow of traffic. |
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said by Last Parade:Basically only two:
1. Slower Traffic Keep Right is the law, not a suggestion. Two conditions exempt you from it, which do not affect you 95% of the time.
2. Pedestrians and cyclists also need to obey their respective signals.
Post the HTA for #1 and I bet you will find something different then what you think. |
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said by Last Parade:Basically only two:
1. Slower Traffic Keep Right is the law, not a suggestion. Two conditions exempt you from it, which do not affect you 95% of the time.
Years ago we vacationed in Europe and rented a car to drive around. We were on the German Autobahn (in a Fiat Uno (blah)) but amazed that when you were over taking someone, they moved over to the right. Everyone knew how to drive and always moved over. They knew that slower traffic was to yield to faster traffic. It was such a pleasure to drive.
On our return to Canada (Ottawa area) I nearly quit driving on the 416 as the idiots NEVER move out of the left lane. They don't understand that the sign says "slower traffic", not slow traffic move over. |
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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said by elwoodblues:Out and about on Monday,I make a right turn into the right lane, and some schmuck makes a left turn and goes across 3 or 4 lanes into my lane so he can get into the plaza. That's an odd one. I even remember during driver training years ago the instructor telling me that you should never turn into the far lane, but then went on about how the reality of the situation is that there will times when you need to make a quick turn or traffic is blocked or whatever and you'll make those turns anyway. Sure, it's not exactly legal, but this is probably the one and only situation where I can sympathize with someone turning that way. |
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Fort Erie, ON
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said by 79512968:Post the HTA for #1 and I bet you will find something different then what you think. Okay, sure.
said by »www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut···tm#BK226 :
Slow vehicles to travel on right side
147. (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1).
Exception
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver of a,
(a) vehicle while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction;
(b) vehicle while preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or
(c) road service vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (2).
In other words, if any traffic - any - is moving faster than you, you're obliged to move to the right lane. Parking in yourself in the left lane - even if you're moving at the speed limit - while faster moving traffic is either held up and/or needs to move to the right is illegal - end of story.
The "at that time and place" phrase is what makes this such a wonderful law for dealing with left-lane hogs. It does protect them on the highway so long as they are 'passing' vehicles to the right though, no matter how slow they may be moving compared to everyone else in the lane behind them. |
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ViperCertified Home Inspector
join:2012-03-22
Toronto | reply to Kardinal
Oh, I got one.
You dont have to leave a freaking 5 sec gap from the vehicle in front of you when you are driving at 30km/hr in a traffic jam. Close in the gap so people can get to where they need to be faster.
Use your freaking common sense and leave a 2 sec gap when you are going 120km/hr on a freeway. |
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 KardinalDei Gratia ReginaPremium
join:2001-02-04
N of 49th | said by Viper:Oh, I got one.
You dont have to leave a freaking 5 sec gap from the vehicle in front of you when you are driving at 30km/hr in a traffic jam. Close in the gap so people can get to where they need to be faster.
5 second gap at 30km/h would be 8.3m/s, so you'll be 51m closer to your destination but travelling at the same speed as you would have been 51m further back. So possibly getting there 5 seconds faster.
In a traffic jam, I'd prefer people don't dart back and forth between lanes, trying to get a few car lengths ahead, and causing traffic to slow down a bit more every time they cut in front of someone and they have to slow down even further to make the space for them.
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Well said Kardinal. |
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 donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | reply to Kardinal
said by Kardinal:said by Viper:Oh, I got one.
You dont have to leave a freaking 5 sec gap from the vehicle in front of you when you are driving at 30km/hr in a traffic jam. Close in the gap so people can get to where they need to be faster.
5 second gap at 30km/h would be 8.3m/s, so you'll be 51m closer to your destination but travelling at the same speed as you would have been 51m further back. So possibly getting there 5 seconds faster. In a traffic jam, I'd prefer people don't dart back and forth between lanes, trying to get a few car lengths ahead, and causing traffic to slow down a bit more every time they cut in front of someone and they have to slow down even further to make the space for them. I actually do not see this as much as I used to.
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join:2003-03-26
canada | reply to Kardinal
The one I wish people knew, and understood? The meaning of a flashing green light in a vehicle...
Came up in another topic today, actually - but for those who don't know - it's a volunteer firefighter or medical first responder enroute to a call. While not legally required, other drivers yielding the right of way, when possible, is appreciated.
The law I wish was enforced more? Turning into the correct lane... (was a toss-up between this one, and drivers failing to indicate).
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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| said by LazMan:The one I wish people knew, and understood? The meaning of a flashing green light in a vehicle...
Came up in another topic today, actually - but for those who don't know - it's a volunteer firefighter or medical first responder enroute to a call. While not legally required, other drivers yielding the right of way, when possible, is appreciated. Rural vs Urban. Around here no one doesn't know the meaning of flashing green. |
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KardinalDei Gratia ReginaPremium
join:2001-02-04
N of 49th | said by Gone:said by LazMan:The one I wish people knew, and understood? The meaning of a flashing green light in a vehicle...
Came up in another topic today, actually - but for those who don't know - it's a volunteer firefighter or medical first responder enroute to a call. While not legally required, other drivers yielding the right of way, when possible, is appreciated. Rural vs Urban. Around here no one doesn't know the meaning of flashing green. True enough. Does anyone know why, in an urban setting, there would be a green flashing light on the light bar of a fire chief / early responding paramedic car? I've seen them on a couple of them around here, not usually flashing, but it's definitely there. The picture in this article shows it at least a little bit.
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GonePremium
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Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | That's the chief/response coordinator vehicle in a multi-alarm event. |
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LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | said by Gone:That's the chief/response coordinator vehicle in a multi-alarm event.
Half right... It can be the command post, or a HazMat vehicle, depending on the situation/region... 
We get a lot of "city" transplants moving to my area - those that grew up in a rural area are far more likely to know that a green light is a volunteer firefighter; those that come from a more urban background, not so much. |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | To make matters even more confusing, there are fire trucks in St. Catharines with red and blue lightbars. Those trucks have the ability to have a snow plow installed on the front in the winter. |
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LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | Please...
Like St. Catherine's get's enough snow to plow.... 
Seriously, though - I believe that blue is being phased out for snow-plows, in favour of amber, now that the copper's are running red/blue, to prevent confusion...
Yeah, here it is:
quote:
Restriction on use of flashing blue light
(32) No person shall operate a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of blue light on a highway except,
(a) a person operating a road service vehicle in the circumstances described in subsection (31); or
(b) a person operating a police department vehicle, together with a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of red light, as permitted by subsection (14.1).
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“road service vehicle” means a vehicle while it is being used for highway maintenance purposes by or on behalf of a municipality or other authority with jurisdiction and control of the highway; (“véhicule de la voirie”)
That said, most plows I know still run blue's... |
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to Kardinal
- Yellow lights mean "stop short of intersection if safe to do so" and NOT "accelerate to probably get through before red", which is what 100% of drivers in Montreal assume it means.
- You cannot turn right or left on a red light in Montreal. Most offenders are from out of province, but now that Quebec allows right-on-red-except-in-montreal, you see some off-island people do this too.
- A green arrow means you CANNOT TURN. You must wait for the green CIRCLE to turn. Turning on a green arrow is the same as running a red light, damn it.
- When you are the first car at an intersection waiting for a light and there is an ambulance directly behind you and a police car blocking all traffic in the crossing direction, YOU SHOULD DRIVE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION RATHER THAN BLOCKING THE AMBULANCE. Yeah, this was a one-time thing, but it boggled my mind how stupid this driver was. The cops should have ticketed this guy. There was absolutely nothing in front of him, the light was red but the cops were stopping cross traffic for him, and the ambulance was almost bumping into him blaring sirens and the idiot took a good 30 seconds to move (with the light still red).
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