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TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY
reply to JeepMatt

Re: [HD] Another QAM Bites the Dust - More Spanish MPEG-4 HD!

said by JeepMatt:

I did subscribe to the Spanish package for a day when they added the first 5. The PQ wasn't HD Net quality, but, it was better than SD.

huh?...I thought MPEG-4 was this holy grail of efficiency and amazing picture quality due to no re-encoding of MPEG-2?...if it only looks better then SD then that's not saying much...I want every program to look as good as Bikini Destination on HDNET

and yes I know MPEG-4 is mainly meant to add space for more HD channels but who's to say that Verizon will actually do this even if they had plenty of space?


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:3
reply to bull3964

Just for kicks what QAM frequency was sacrificed for the 5 new Spanish HD channels.


nowayout

join:2009-06-22
Allentown, PA
reply to JeepMatt

I'll take "this year" over TJ's silly "in the queue" and other non-answers anyday. So at least it's a step.

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BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Ike1

Re: [HD] Another QAM Bites the Dust - More Spanish MPEG-4 HD!

Yes , why yes it is !

Hence the cutbacks on the roll outs The HD channels from any station in SA or CA are almost double the sd costs, but they are available on satellite feeds in mpeg4 and HD, if Im verizon I use the set tops to scale down to sd and just use one stream but I guess that is really a lot to ask.
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BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to TitusTroy

mpeg4 is a small step, I think they are waiting for a new compression scheme before pulling the trigger, mpeg4 is inefficient compared to some of the newer schemes, however it's going to cost them in the long term if they fail to move to the newer schemes region by region.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"


necochino

join:2004-09-28
Burke, VA
reply to TitusTroy

I have the Spanish package. I checked the channels. The PQ is just ok. However, I think this is mostly because the channels don't appear to be broadcasting HD (some of the shows are in 4:3 format). I too wish they had added Cartoon, BBC or GolTV first. I'm hoping that they are using these channels as guinea pigs for the MP4 introduction. If they did it with Cartoon or any of the other nationals we are awaiting a lot of people would post angry comments or maybe even leave Verizon while they iron out the implementation bugs (when the first few Spanish channels went on, the picture pixelated a lot).


tennisman94

join:2010-02-18
Palm Harbor, FL
kudos:2
reply to BosstonesOwn

said by BosstonesOwn:

mpeg4 is a small step, I think they are waiting for a new compression scheme before pulling the trigger, mpeg4 is inefficient compared to some of the newer schemes, however it's going to cost them in the long term if they fail to move to the newer schemes region by region.

What newer codecs are you referring to? MPEG 4 Part 10 (H.264) is the most efficient codec around at the moment. H.265 hasn't even been standardized yet, which means that hardware encoders and decoders are at least a few years out.


amarryat
Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

said by tennisman94:

What newer codecs are you referring to? MPEG 4 Part 10 (H.264) is the most efficient codec around at the moment. H.265 hasn't even been standardized yet, which means that hardware encoders and decoders are at least a few years out.

That's what I thought. I wonder if he meant mpeg2

sbernstein5

join:2005-01-18
10024-5650
reply to nowayout

said by nowayout:

I'll take "this year" over TJ's silly "in the queue" and other non-answers anyday. So at least it's a step.

I actually don't think I put any more stock in "this year" than "in the queue". There is no accountability so this year could slip to next and then the following just as easily!


celticpride

@verizon.net

whrn i checked my tivo the other day i noticed all the new spanish hd channels were only 720p not one of those was 1080i.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

said by celticpride :

whrn i checked my tivo the other day i noticed all the new spanish hd channels were only 720p not one of those was 1080i.

What is wrong with that? All Disney owned channels are also 720P. And those are some very popular and expensive channels.


MeatChicken

join:2007-08-15
Paramus, NJ
reply to celticpride

said by celticpride :

whrn i checked my tivo the other day i noticed all the new spanish hd channels were only 720p not one of those was 1080i.

That is the way the broadcaster intends ...
Same as NatGeo, ABC, FOX, A&E, Disney, ESPN & others.

Betamax76

join:2008-10-16
Canonsburg, PA

1 recommendation

reply to JeepMatt

Verizon made room for the two "new" QAM carriers by:

1) Removing the content of QAM Cable Channel 19, 153 MHz (Fios Ch. 558 ES.TV HD and Fios Ch. 674 My Destination.TV HD) and combining them with the two remaining .TV QAM carriers resulting in a 3 to 1 statmux for the much maligned Byron Allen channels. The new mapping is:

* 651 MHz: Ch. 558 (ES.TV HD), Ch. 599 (Cars.TV HD), Ch. 695 (Comedy.TV HD)
* 657 MHz: Ch. 674 (My Destination.TV HD), Ch. 633 (Pets.TV HD), Ch. 676 (Recipe.TV HD)

I would have preferred these .TV channels were moved to cable QAM 95, 96, and 97, all in the noisy FM band. If QAM-64 were applied instead of QAM-256, two channels per QAM carrier would yield roughly the same bandwidth as three channels per QAM carrier using QAM-256. Verizon has never tried QAM-64 on these FM frequencies. QAM-64 decodes with SNR as low as 24 db while QAM-256 requires at least 32 db. And since the Byron Allen channels are low viewership on the highest package, it would make sense to test them out using QAM-64. Cable companies have been using these FM frequencies for years while generating the signal 2000 feet from the home. QAM-64 is the easy solution because all 6000 series boxes can decode it. If QAM-64 can't be decoded at the premises, there are almost certainly QAM-256 carriers that wouldn't work, such as QAM Cable Channel 20 (159 MHz). In the analog cable days, cable channels 19 through 21 were notorious for having herringbone interference patterns.

2) Removing the content of QAM Cable Channel 125, 801 MHz. This was previously used for SD content only. The channels that used to be here were scattered throughout the remaining QAM standard definition carriers. These include: Bloomberg TV, Military History Channel, Crime and Investigation, GSN, PBS Kids Sprout, Nuvo TV, Tennis Channel, and a few others.



Thinkdiff
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
kudos:11
reply to TitusTroy

Either he's crazy or the content on the spanish channels is just poor quality to begin with.

I re-encode baseball games from FiOS's ~18Mbps MPEG2 stream to 3.5Mbps MPEG4 (one pass) and it looks better than a few channels on Time Warner Cable - not even exaggerating. Sure, a fast camera pan will send it into pixelation hell, but the same thing happens frequently on TWC. A properly hardware encoded MPEG4 stream at 7+Mbps should look amazing.
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matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to Betamax76

said by Betamax76:

Verizon made room for the two "new" QAM carriers by:

1) Removing the content of QAM Cable Channel 19, 153 MHz (Fios Ch. 558 ES.TV HD and Fios Ch. 674 My Destination.TV HD) and combining them with the two remaining .TV QAM carriers resulting in a 3 to 1 statmux for the much maligned Byron Allen channels. The new mapping is:

* 651 MHz: Ch. 558 (ES.TV HD), Ch. 599 (Cars.TV HD), Ch. 695 (Comedy.TV HD)
* 657 MHz: Ch. 674 (My Destination.TV HD), Ch. 633 (Pets.TV HD), Ch. 676 (Recipe.TV HD)

Thanks for that info. It was said they would combine the .TV's, now we know it was done. That's good investigative work Betamax!
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to matcarl

Re: [HD] Another QAM Bites the Dust - More Spanish MPEG-4 HD!

said by matcarl:

said by Betamax76:

Verizon made room for the two "new" QAM carriers by:

1) Removing the content of QAM Cable Channel 19, 153 MHz (Fios Ch. 558 ES.TV HD and Fios Ch. 674 My Destination.TV HD) and combining them with the two remaining .TV QAM carriers resulting in a 3 to 1 statmux for the much maligned Byron Allen channels. The new mapping is:

* 651 MHz: Ch. 558 (ES.TV HD), Ch. 599 (Cars.TV HD), Ch. 695 (Comedy.TV HD)
* 657 MHz: Ch. 674 (My Destination.TV HD), Ch. 633 (Pets.TV HD), Ch. 676 (Recipe.TV HD)

Thanks for that info. It was said they would combine the .TV's, now we know it was done. That's good investigative work Betamax!

Too bad they didn't start broadcasting them in MPEG4 to free up even more sapce.

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to amarryat

its a form of h.264/avc supposedly it compresses better then mpeg4 without losing as much quality. I was reading it awhile ago how most stb manufacturers are looking into using it on stbs soon.
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Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to aaronwt

said by aaronwt:

Too bad they didn't start broadcasting them in MPEG4 to free up even more sapce.

Imagine the CS calls from people returning 6000 boxes cause they can't watch *.TV's!

nysports4evr
Premium
join:2010-01-23
kudos:1
reply to JeepMatt

We are nowhere even remotely close to STBs using H265. Right now it's an early draft and nothing more...

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Acct101
Premium
join:2011-09-20
Bensalem, PA

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reply to JeepMatt

Re: [HD] Another QAM Bites the Dust - More Spanish MPEG-4 HD!

Enough with all this tech stuff, I am only an accountant.

All I want to know is if we are getting anymore english speaking HD channels.


tnsprin

join:2003-07-23
Bradenton, FL
kudos:1

yes. But don't count on it being the one you want or even heard of before.


sbernstein5

join:2005-01-18
10024-5650
reply to Greg2600

said by Greg2600:

Imagine the CS calls from people returning 6000 boxes cause they can't watch *.TV's!

You're kidding, right? Nobody watches those channels. NOBODY

knarf829

join:2007-06-02
kudos:1

said by sbernstein5:

said by Greg2600:

Imagine the CS calls from people returning 6000 boxes cause they can't watch *.TV's!

You're kidding, right? Nobody watches those channels. NOBODY

I believe that was what's known, in technical terms, as sarcasm.
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tnsprin

join:2003-07-23
Bradenton, FL
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to sbernstein5

Re: [HD] Another QAM Bites the Dust - More Spanish MPEG-4 HD!

said by sbernstein5:

said by Greg2600:

Imagine the CS calls from people returning 6000 boxes cause they can't watch *.TV's!

You're kidding, right? Nobody watches those channels. NOBODY

Just enough to cause trouble. They thought not enough people watched Funamation to complain loudly, and look what happed.

URFloorMatt

join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA
reply to JeepMatt

said by JeepMatt:

I did subscribe to the Spanish package for a day when they added the first 5. The PQ wasn't HD Net quality, but, it was better than SD.

Heh. Well, that narrows things down not at all.

With channels like these, I wouldn't put much stock into how they look at all. The source is probably crap, like the .TV channels or AMC.


dcowboy

join:2012-05-10
reply to knarf829

It is known.