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I AM Premium join:2010-04-11 Ephrata, PA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Blue Ridge Cable	reply to clawfury Re: Official Guild Wars 2 Thread said by clawfury: So, I never saw the question get answered - how does the game rank in responsiveness? WoW is ultra smooth, that's part of its draw - the videos of GW2 looked smooth, but that's hardly a great indication - has anyone played the beta that can confirm? Thanks! Nothing is as responsive and fast as WoW. But that can lead to just button smashing. Lag did play a factor in the responsiveness but I did play some when there was downtime and the game is quite responsive. I would put it behind WoW though but the combat system is different. It's responsive enough but movement and positioning might be more important.
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to bionicRod said by bionicRod: said by Krisnatharok: (how are they going to pay for servers beyond the initial $60? Pay-to-win?). They have a gem store currently, where you buy gems with real money and can buy things like dyes, immediate bank access, xp boosts, etc. with the gems. The dye system is very involved with hundreds of colors and I enjoyed playing around with it (they gave you x amount of free gems in beta). I'm just going off the top of my head here btw, I could be leaving shit out. It will be interesting to see if they break even with monthly server costs funded through that. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.
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I AM Premium join:2010-04-11 Ephrata, PA kudos:4	reply to Time I still have faith in Humanity because of people like Time.
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: (how are they going to pay for servers beyond the initial $60? Pay-to-win?). They have a gem store currently, where you buy gems with real money and can buy things like dyes, immediate bank access, xp boosts, etc. with the gems. The dye system is very involved with hundreds of colors and I enjoyed playing around with it (they gave you x amount of free gems in beta). I'm just going off the top of my head here btw, I could be leaving shit out.
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clawfury join:2012-02-14 Rochester, MI Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to I AM So, I never saw the question get answered - how does the game rank in responsiveness? WoW is ultra smooth, that's part of its draw - the videos of GW2 looked smooth, but that's hardly a great indication - has anyone played the beta that can confirm? Thanks!
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to Time Awesome, thanks muchly for the generous offer. PM incoming.
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to Koil said by Koil: You argue against the trend of publishers making you "pay for beta", but considering the beta to be a f2p demo is acceptable? There's conflict in there. The unspoken expectation in an opt-in or public beta is that there will be bugs and gameplay may be broken. I enjoyed playing "open" betas like SC2, BF3, and SWTOR because we got to take part in the stress test, report bugs, and actually contribute something to the final game, all the while experiencing some of the (unfinished) game-play. But you either got selected from a lottery or just signed up--you didn't have to pay to help them finish the game. It's just now you get to pay them to help them QC the game. Not exactly a winning proposition in my book. That or you look at it from the perspective that they dangle "pre-access" in an unfinished game to pad their pre-orders, even if some of those people cancel before launch (as I went through the trouble to do before Tera dropped). Lastly, an open beta or demo is also very different than waiting for an MMO to go F2P. WoW just recently opened up the first twenty levels after the better part of a decade. Anyways, you guys are certainly right--it's their prerogative not to offer anything to the public, and it's my prerogative to pass on the game. I want to give them a chance to earn my $60. I just don't feel like giving it up without any previous experience with the game, especially considering the niche they are trying to fill. The MMO scene has become very crowded and competition for that $15/mo (or in GW2's case, the up-front $60) is tight (how are they going to pay for servers beyond the initial $60? Pay-to-win?). Anyways, I'll check out some of these beta key giveaways for this weekend and see if I get lucky. otherwise I may just have to let myself be convinced by ya'll's screenshots and experiences once it drops. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.
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Time Premium join:2003-07-05	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: Here's the difference--you are looking at it from the perspective of someone who has already decided to purchase it, so beta access comes as a freebie. I'm looking at it from the other way around: since I am undecided, after watching the Youtube videos and reading the thread here, I would like to try it out to get a taste of what all the hype is about (since hype is cheap and plenty in the gaming industry nowadays). But to do so, I would have to go as far as purchasing the entire game, even to beta, barring not receiving one of the keys in an online giveaway (which, tbh, i was unaware of, so that may change the equation entirely). The email from NCSoft was still a dick move from an overall trend I detest by the publishers--"want to beta? BUY THE GAME!" I don't want to buy the fricken game, I want a demo to help me decide if I want to buy the game. You can use my account to test this beta weekend if you'd like (snagged code from Curse). I lost interest. -- "If it can't be done with brains, it can't be done with hours" - Clarence "Kelly" Johnson
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Koil Premium join:2002-09-10 Irmo, SC kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok But the game isn't even out yet? If you're on the fence, then they're not targeting you at this point. You want access to a game that hasn't been released yet, they've never promised a demo to, and is still in beta testing w/ a perk being offered to those who wish to pre-purchase to have access to. You guys mentioned this before, and I still don't get it. No one is making you do anything. If you don't want to buy the game, or undecided, then wait until you've seen enough to push you over, or a free to play option becomes available. You argue against the trend of publishers making you "pay for beta", but considering the beta to be a f2p demo is acceptable? There's conflict in there. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.- Edward Everett Hale My Blog - Raising Connor
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok Yeah I can see that. I get that you want to test it out for free, but it's not something they are offering outside of beta key giveaways. That's their prerogative, just as it's yours to not buy the game. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Makes the world go 'round, you know. And beta shouldn't = demo, but it does too often these days, and people get to feeling they're getting screwed if they don't get to participate. The first BWE felt more like a real beta, by the second BWE I felt like I was playing a finished game. This third one is all about hype building for launch. I don't even get to participate as I will be out of town, outside of maybe a couple hours on Sunday.
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to bionicRod Here's the difference--you are looking at it from the perspective of someone who has already decided to purchase it, so beta access comes as a freebie. I'm looking at it from the other way around: since I am undecided, after watching the Youtube videos and reading the thread here, I would like to try it out to get a taste of what all the hype is about (since hype is cheap and plenty in the gaming industry nowadays). But to do so, I would have to go as far as purchasing the entire game, even to beta, barring not receiving one of the keys in an online giveaway (which, tbh, i was unaware of, so that may change the equation entirely). The email from NCSoft was still a dick move from an overall trend I detest by the publishers--"want to beta? BUY THE GAME!" I don't want to buy the fricken game, I want a demo to help me decide if I want to buy the game. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: There is no distinction. The people with beta access are those who already went ahead and bought the game. Yes. For the same price they game will launch with. So here's the breakdown, since I'm bored at work today: Price of preordering GW2 with beta access: $60 Price of buying GW2 at launch: $60 Difference: $0 How do you buy something that costs nothing?
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to bionicRod There is no distinction. The people with beta access are those who already went ahead and bought the game.
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: said by bionicRod: the game sounds very unfinished and it's being chalked up to 'oh it's a beta.' I've played the game extensively in two beta tests thus far. Two races were unplayable, true, but the game is extremely polished. And it IS unfinished. It hasn't released yet. That's the definition of beta. said by bionicRod: You're paying early for a game and getting beta access because of it. So you're paying to beta. Um...no. Paid for the game. I received beta access because I paid early. If you buy the game at launch, it will cost you the same as I paid. You see the distinction, you're just trolling now.
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to bionicRod said by bionicRod: the game sounds very unfinished and it's being chalked up to 'oh it's a beta.' I've played the game extensively in two beta tests thus far. Two races were unplayable, true, but the game is extremely polished. And it IS unfinished. It hasn't released yet. That's the definition of beta. said by bionicRod: You're paying early for a game and getting beta access because of it. So you're paying to beta. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok I have to disagree with a lot of what you said: Way back when, every game was expected to have a demo, especially the "pay one time" games--UT, UT2K3/4, Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear, Descent series, etc. None of those are MMOs. I suppose they could put a level cap on you or time your demo out, but that would be an awfully big download for a demo. It could be done, but I don't blame them for not wanting to go to the trouble. the game sounds very unfinished and it's being chalked up to 'oh it's a beta.' I've played the game extensively in two beta tests thus far. Two races were unplayable, true, but the game is extremely polished. And it IS unfinished. It hasn't released yet. That's the definition of beta. 'Try before you buy' is critical for many gamers in deciding where to spend their money, and too many companies now restrict experiencing actual game-play because it sucks in so many games nowadays. Instead, they hype pre-rendered videos and ads that have nothing to do with the actual game-play experience. Of course it's their prerogative to make people pay before letting them experience any gameplay and depend on those slick, expensive pre-rendered ads, but some of us will simply pass. Fair enough. But that's not the case in GWII. Millions of people have played it over the last year. I decided to go ahead and buy based on the extensive coverage on Youtube of the press beta early this year. Nearly every major youtuber with a video game channel had hours of videos up. Not pre-rendered videos, actual gameplay. Like I said, the number of Youtube vids from gamers has increased exponentially. Claiming you need to try it for free because you don't know what the game is like and that 'pay to beta is bs' is, well, bs. Again, you're paying nothing for the beta. You're paying for the game and getting beta access because you have. That said, if you could point me to a site giving out beta keys, I'd appreciate it. Damned websense is keeping me from seeing which of these is current, but I've seen a lot on facebook and twitter the last few days. In the meantime let me google that for you (although it may be too late now as the final BWE is this weekend): »lmgtfy.com/?q=guild+wars+2+beta+keys+
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to I AM other than the 'hackedhacker' guy linking Youtube vids with beta keys and VISA numbers with exp dates in the comments... thanks, I'll poke around Reddit.
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I AM Premium join:2010-04-11 Ephrata, PA kudos:4	reply to Krisnatharok »www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/ There's a few topics about places giving way keys.
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Krisnatharok Caveat Emptor Premium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:8	reply to bionicRod said by bionicRod: I also don't get why you think you are entitled to play for free to 'try it out' before you buy? There's no monthly fee, just a flat one time charge, so I don't see them doing a trial account (I could be wrong). Way back when, every game was expected to have a demo, especially the "pay one time" games--UT, UT2K3/4, Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear, Descent series, etc. We've now gone away from that, and despite what you are saying about "early access" vice beta, the game sounds very unfinished and it's being chalked up to 'oh it's a beta.' With rising prices on nearly everything, there is less money out there to throw down $50-60 on untested games. Videos only go so far to show you the 'feel' of the game. Open beta convinced me to buy BF3 when I was planning to skip this round of shooters (and I subsequently skipped MW3). 'Try before you buy' is critical for many gamers in deciding where to spend their money, and too many companies now restrict experiencing actual game-play because it sucks in so many games nowadays. Instead, they hype pre-rendered videos and ads that have nothing to do with the actual game-play experience. Of course it's their prerogative to make people pay before letting them experience any gameplay and depend on those slick, expensive pre-rendered ads, but some of us will simply pass. That said, if you could point me to a site giving out beta keys, I'd appreciate it. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.
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bionicRod Funkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium join:2009-07-06 united state kudos:1	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: said by I AM: HEHE. So you gonna be playing Kris? Pay to beta is bullshit. I'll buy it when they give me a chance to try it out without putting down money. You're not paying to beta. You're paying early for a game and getting beta access because of it. You pay nothing extra. In my case I have already paid for a game I was absolutely sure I was going to buy anyway. I also don't get why you think you are entitled to play for free to 'try it out' before you buy? There's no monthly fee, just a flat one time charge, so I don't see them doing a trial account (I could be wrong). If you want to know what the game is like, there are a million Youtube vids showing you exactly what to expect. There are also a bunch of sites handing out beta keys right now as well, if you want to go that route. But if it's not your cuppa that's understandable too.
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