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Re: I got a deal!

Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:14:39 EDT

NickD posted : What about most web sites being hosted in data centers with gigabits of bandwidth? They should be able to put out enough data to fill even a 300 megabit connection. The biggest bottleneck is consumer's wi-fi routers. Sure, they advertise 150 mbps speeds, but you have to be right on top of the router to get that speed. In the next room, you only get 20 mbps. 3 rooms away, you get 2 mbps.

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Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:59:18 EDT

anon posted : fios doesnt offer contracts with the above 35 meg speed...

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Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:14:26 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by jims2321:

If you deduct the money they got from the universal service fee, their was was close to zero or they may have made money on FIOS. No teleco loses money these days, they are federally subsidized by the taxpayers via the USF.

USF isn't a tax. No tax money is transferred from the government to the telcos.

The USF is not mandated by a government entity with tax power, nor is it managed by a government agency.
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Re: I got a deal!

Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:23:58 EDT

jims2321 posted : If you deduct the money they got from the universal service fee, their was was close to zero or they may have made money on FIOS. No teleco loses money these days, they are federally subsidized by the taxpayers via the USF.
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Re: I got a deal!

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:01:44 EDT

xrobertcmx posted : You may want to google that, the build out was largely financed by the existing infrastructure budget. The claim that it cost that much to build was wildly inflated and the cost was spread across many years. Also by building the fiber network VZ benefited in not having to allow any of the (surviving) existing competitors to share it. Not that any are really left. The lackluster take rates vary from region to region. Many former Aldephia areas have seen large shifts from Comcast to VZ. Not to mention that if you look at the money they are making from it the subscriber rates must be pretty good.

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»www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kus···287.html
»www.newtelecomblogs.com/2012/01/···-for-q4/
I just have to find that article about former Adelphia territories.
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Re: I got a deal!

Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:06:01 EDT

anon posted : I hate to tell you but your 25 meg service is actually megabit not megabyte. your 3.5Meg download is actually 3.5Megabytes X 8 = 28 Megabits. You are getting what you pay for and a little extra. I have the 50/25 service and I routinely pug the connection out at 50meg when downloading from Apple/Msoft/Vmware etc.

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Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:51:20 EDT

anon posted : True, and that is the point. You can only get the data as fast as it is able to be served, whether by hardware restriction or software.

Basically, you are attaching a 300mbs straw to their 512k straw. The "Vacuum" won't pull it through any faster! It's ONLY gonna come in at that 512kbs.

And that's my argument/point. The download speeds that VZ FiOS offer will be of use only to a scarce few, hence those who also serve/receive at blazing speeds.

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Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:32:57 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Aron :

I'm not an expert at this BUT:
These faster speeds are virtually useless. Throttling prevents any real use of the speed IMO, and for those who think the internet "will shut down", don't really understand how it works.

Indeed, but it is not "throttling" which is the bottleneck. You can't pull data from my server at 1000 MB/s if my upload is only 512 kb/s.
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Re: I got a deal!

Wed, 06 Jun 2012 09:31:01 EDT

anon posted : I'm not an expert at this BUT:
These faster speeds are virtually useless. Throttling prevents any real use of the speed IMO, and for those who think the internet "will shut down", don't really understand how it works.
Faster speeds means faster downloads of data, which translates in to LESS stress on servers/backbone.
Think of the way race cars get their tanks filled. 5 gallons in less than 3 seconds, where the gas station takes a couple minutes.
SAME content but the faster delivery, takes the demand "offline" nearly immediately.
Same holds true for servers capable of "serving" data that quickly.
FILE DOWNLOADS. I have a FiOS 25/15 service. The Fastest sustained download speed I've ever seen is when downloading MS OFFICE TRIAL, at about 3.5 MBS .

This faster speed does not translate into better movie quality, with say NETFLIX either, WHY? Because Netflix won't allow the data rates to make excellent movie quality a reality.

IN SHORT: Throttling at the server level will likely make these incredible speeds a waste of money.

Re: I got a deal!

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:09:26 EDT

enthuz posted :

said by HardwareGeek:

I got a hell of a deal then!!

If the 150 Mbps is $95, me paying for a triple play package with the 150 Mbps for only $129.99 is a steal IMO.

I pay that for 35/35 TP, but I have the higher TV package and am not in NY...you lucky guy!

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Tue, 05 Jun 2012 03:18:07 EDT

Endy posted : ...the first thought that entered my head was 'High-speed High-Fructose Corn Syrup would be awesome!'

That's how I know it's time to sleep.

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:55:13 EDT

dvd536 posted :

said by Chubbysumo:

said by iansltx:

How soon? Keep in mind that speeds like that would require a couple high quality upstream channels and six or more down streams, otherwise peak times would see lower speeds.

But hey, if they can pull it off, I'm all for it.

well, to keep up with FiOS offerings in those markets, it would have to be really soon. a 4 bonded channel cable modem will probably see realistic speeds of 150mbps download, and a single upload channel can get you up to 42mbps(33 realistically because of shared channel limitations and no channel bonding), so, it would not be surprising to see these from cable companies soon. I have heard hints from the local charter office employees about charter increasing upload speeds(albeit, on a single channel), and that would be awesome.

a 4 bonded channel cable modem will probably see realistic speeds of 150mbps download if they were alone on the node[NOT LIKELY]

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:45:30 EDT

dvd536 posted :

said by Chubbysumo:

said by HardwareGeek:

I got a hell of a deal then!!

If the 150 Mbps is $95, me paying for a triple play package with the 150 Mbps for only $129.99 is a steal IMO.

Its just rate hikes disgused as increased speeds. It probably doesnt cost Verizon much to bump someones speeds from 150mbps to 300, since there is the capacity in the fiber already, and their plan should have the backbone for it. Now, lets just wait for the cable industries answer to this rate hike. I see cable based speeds of 150mbps down and 15 up fairly soon over cable HFCs.

yeah. notice upstream rates not moving[which can always be used] unlike token downstream boosts which go largely unused.

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:38:04 EDT

tshirt posted : I'm saying the potential to virtualize many combonations of 8 is there on physical nodes which can be added as needed. Cable can continue adding capacity WHEN there is demand.
FTTH has a huge initial install sunk cost, basically the same for 15/15 customers as a 300/65 which sits there costing money even with no subs to pay for it.

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:29:15 EDT

iansltx posted : True. However I'd be surprised if any cable provider in the Us was reliably deploying more than eight DOCSIS downstream carriers at this point.

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:23:07 EDT

tshirt posted : It's cost them $23 billion to cover a small portion of their footprint, and probably would have been in the hundreds of billion$ to cover ALMOST all of their original footprint.
They only would make money, even in the VERY long run, if they can charge enough to pay that debt plus operating expenses plus profit.
given the lackluster take rates even at current low/loss leader monthly rates, isn't likely to encourage to them to expand, or in some areas even complete the current build out.
MOST homes have little need for those speeds, FEW small businesses need those speeds.

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:10:39 EDT

tshirt posted : That assumes only 8 channels to the node... There may be many channels to a given node, any single modem will currently be assigned a max of 8 of them

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:49:53 EDT

elefante72 posted : Hmm,

I just looked at last months bill. In there it specifically states that my 25/25 is $45.99 and I am on month-to-month (locked in rate until end of this year)--now this is the triple play.

If you look at the unbundled prices that is now $79 which is a whopping 75pct raise. Even when I originally enquired on enet only it was $54 lat year, so this is a $20/month uplift.

Originally they offered me month-to-month with no difference in price, then they tacked $5 on, then $10 (it became $64), else a 2 year contract.

I have learned that service contracts are a bad idea, so I don't do them. People evaluate them but the aggravation and minor perceived savings is not worth it unless you have SLA's and penalties. Most consumer contracts are violently slanted toward the supplier, not the consumer so this makes them even less valuable.

Just last week I got a flyer from TWC $30 for 15/2 for 1 year, and no cable modem fee if you have one (I still have mine :)).

15/2 will stream multiple hi-def and in my area TWC was great and they actually got 15/2.

The point is that Verizon is quickly pricing itself out of the market and with substandard FIOS penetration rates it is like they are asking for FIOS to fail so they can offload it :-)

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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:46:56 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by moldypickle:

i pay almost that for basic digital cable and 20/2.....

OOOOhhhhhhhh the money Verizon could have made in the long run if they continued to spend right now on building out more FIOS. Not covering all of America, but at least ALL the major pop centers ...

Only those POP centers in VZ territory. They would never bring FiOS to 'snfc%n%.pacbell.net', 'sntc%n%.pacbell.net', or 'pltn%n%.pacbell.net'. Or to any other non-VZ POP center.
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Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:32:48 EDT

iansltx posted : You can't realistically expect 150 Mbps deliver speeds over four channels, because you still have other people on the node. You would need more channels...which is fine, because eight channel bonded modems are out now.

As for the upstream path, usable capacity on a fully upgraded, wide, 64qAM channel, is 30 Mbps. Which means that real world, delivered in ammulti user environment, speeds would be 20 Mbps at most.

That said, many areas are limited to 16QAM upstream channels, which only have 10 Mbps of capacity. Hence cableco offerings that top out at 5 Mbps up.

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:16:42 EDT

Chubbysumo posted :

said by iansltx:

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 10:44:20 EDT

BosstonesOwn posted : Except the ludites who don't like change of course. I know many folks in Fios territory who are afraid to change because comcasts commercials about the lack of on demand, yet they don't use on demand. Go figure!
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Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:58:20 EDT

iansltx posted : How soon? Keep in mind that speeds like that would require a couple high quality upstream channels and six or more down streams, otherwise peak times would see lower speeds.

But hey, if they can pull it off, I'm all for it.

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:48:59 EDT

Chubbysumo posted :

said by HardwareGeek:

I got a hell of a deal then!!

If the 150 Mbps is $95, me paying for a triple play package with the 150 Mbps for only $129.99 is a steal IMO.

Re: I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:45:29 EDT

moldypickle posted : i pay almost that for basic digital cable and 20/2.....

OOOOhhhhhhhh the money Verizon could have made in the long run if they continued to spend right now on building out more FIOS. Not covering all of America, but at least ALL the major pop centers. A deal like that would have everyone signing up

I got a deal!

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:40:48 EDT

HardwareGeek posted : I got a hell of a deal then!!

If the 150 Mbps is $95, me paying for a triple play package with the 150 Mbps for only $129.99 is a steal IMO.
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