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Josof

join:2010-10-23
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to Immer

Re: [MoP] PvP in MoP

said by Immer:

said by Josof:

I personally dont like the arena changes. Knowing the class/spec of your opponent before you even start the match is a bad move imo.

I can't believe I'm gonna comment on this...

I think the purpose is two fold.
1. It is intended to showcase the new approach to Talent allocation. They want PvE and PvP to embrace the "change the talents on the fly" model they are so very proud of.
2. It is an attempt to smooth out the learning curve. Currently, if you aren't a pvp aficionado, the fight is over with before you realize what you could have done to start a fight against the opposing comp. The better players won't need the "heads up", they have their fast-twitch reactions well in place. Those still learning compositions and strats will find the extra time helpful, and hopefully allow for better fights, even in the lower brackets.

I feel dirty now...

maybe, if they allowed you to see the comp/class/spec up to a certain MMR....2000? then after you have reached that threshold it goes back to just the waiting for the gates to open.

for me personally, its fun walking out there with the anticipation of not knowing what comp youre up against.
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"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu


bTU

join:2009-04-22
Aurora, CO
So you like trying to develop a strategy without knowing what tactics to use?


Immer
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Evans, GA
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reply to Josof
they are clearly operating under the assumption that while you didn't know their class before, you now have to contend with their ability to pick and choose their talents (where as now, if you know the class, you know the cookie-cutter pvp spec and the abilities you are likely to face if they are any good). I think in the higher MMR brackets, you'll find this to be even more daunting than simply needing to know what classes you face.

I just did it again... I must be bored... or sleep deprived.
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Immergruen (resto/kitty) on Nathrezim Server (US)
Guild leader for Pride and Ego

I'd rather hang out with friends and collect gear, mounts, and achievements that don't require me to beat up on the weaker kid.

Josof

join:2010-10-23
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to bTU
said by bTU:

So you like trying to develop a strategy without knowing what tactics to use?

haha, strategy and tactics can be developed on the fly. and IRL due to unforseen circumstances this is what usually happens.
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"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Josof

join:2010-10-23
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to Immer
said by Immer:

they are clearly operating under the assumption that while you didn't know their class before, you now have to contend with their ability to pick and choose their talents (where as now, if you know the class, you know the cookie-cutter pvp spec and the abilities you are likely to face if they are any good). I think in the higher MMR brackets, you'll find this to be even more daunting than simply needing to know what classes you face.

I just did it again... I must be bored... or sleep deprived.

I could see that, not knowing which one of the opponents has a group, single target stun/root or what type of interrupt they have.

MOP-the xpac where Immer embraces PvP!!!
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"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu


Immer
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said by Josof:

MOP-the xpac where Immer embraces PvP!!!

hehe... unlikely. It has been asserted that the only reason I dislike PvP was because I lacked understanding....

cymraeg
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let go of your hatred and your journey toward the dark side shall be complete.


quatra
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join:2003-06-22
Matthews, NC
reply to Josof
I like seeing my opponents before the gates open. My concern is that you will have to respec/glyph frequently and that it will cost money. I also bet you'll find people start waiting until the last second to change spec - hopefully they restrict that so you're locked in for the last 15 secs or so and make respec/glyph free inside the starting area.


Immer
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said by quatra:

you will have to respec/glyph frequently and that it will cost money.

this is a design goal, to have the ability to. That doesn't mean you'll "have to". Both sides will only be guessing at which talents/abilities the other actually have. Remember, you won't be seeing (Ret Paladin 2/7/32)...


quatra
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join:2003-06-22
Matthews, NC
You also don't have to enchant/gem your gear but anyone serious about progression will do it.