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Re: [Rant] What a shame - Negotiating on Home Inspection Fees I think what everyone is missing here, is reality.
Many contractors/plumbers, home inspectors don't have an office per se, they may have home offices , for tax purposes and paperwork, but their real office is their trucks and cell phones.
If I'm paying someone by the hour to do a job and they're yakking on the phone, that's one thing, but if they are providing me a service with a fixed fee, who cares, they're taking longer to do my job, costing them more money.
At the same time, in order to survive you still need to take calls (yes it can go to VM) in order to line up future jobs. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | reply to Styvas When I have a contractor working at my house, I expect his full attention to the job that I am paying him for. I don't care if he's a home inspector, plumber, or an accountant. Like I said, I'm willing to be cooperative if asked for permission, but otherwise stay off your phone while you're working for me.
Did you have a chance to read the entire or at least the majority of the thread? The point is to ask beforehand and then take calls in the middle of the inspection (if needed).
It has been discussed earlier, customer pay me by the job not by the hour. So if i answer my phone, and it takes a couple of minutes then so be it. I asked the customer and they said YES now its up to me to decide whether or not I should answer my phone.
It also depends on the type of the trade. I recently hired someone to do yard work at my house and the guy quoted me for the entire job. I was at home that day and i saw him take about 5-6 calls during the entire job. But you know I did not mind because it was not costing me more money and he finished the job by the end of the day as promised. And he did not even ask me if he could take phone calls. You see what I am saying?
Customers obviously want to speak to a person, but if that person is not available then they may or may not move on to another inspector. As a customer who has hired you, that's not my problem.
I want to know how you can make that statement? Are you a home inspector? How much do you know about the home inspection industry? You mentioned that you have had a few inspections done on your properties, very nice. You have had a few and I have done about 3000 inspections in the GTA area, so I dont think I need to explain myself any further.
Like I said, I've had many home inspections done, all at full but fair prices. Most don't seem to have the anti-customer attitude of Viper, but perhaps he feels safe behind the anonymity of the internet. Based on his posting here, he wouldn't get my business if I knew who he was.
Actually it goes both ways, based on your response, I would not take you as a customer myself. You will be surprised to know how many times I have refused business. The picky lawyer example above is one of them. Another time, I went to a site for inspection and the client insisted me to walk on the roof. I explained why there is limitations and that I can not walk but he was not happy. I straight up told him that he needs to be OK with this or hire someone else, no love lost. |
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| said by Viper:I would not take you as a customer myself. Based on the attitude demonstrated in his last post, I wouldn't want him as a customer either. I'd much rather let a big box store deal with that attitude and it not be my problem. |
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | said by Gone:said by Viper:I would not take you as a customer myself. Based on the attitude demonstrated in his last post, I wouldn't want him as a customer either. I'd much rather let a big box store deal with that attitude and it not be my problem. "Thumbs Up" |
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| reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:If I'm paying someone by the hour to do a job and they're yakking on the phone, that's one thing, but if they are providing me a service with a fixed fee, who cares, they're taking longer to do my job, costing them more money. Any reasonable business person who wants return customers isn't going to charge someone their hourly rate for the time they were on the phone and not doing work, even if on site. Maybe scammers in the GTA do, but that doesn't happen around here and it's a non-issue to the point of something we never even think of.
As for paying for the entire job, if someone is on the phone for whatever reason, who cares. You paid for the job, and so long as the job is completed on time screw off out and let them do the work you paid for. If you bitch at someone for being on the phone because you have the attitude that you own the person while they're doing the job, chances are you're going to get shittier work in return and they won't go out of their way for you or do you any favours. |
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| said by Gone:As for paying for the entire job, if someone is on the phone for whatever reason, who cares. You paid for the job, and so long as the job is completed on time screw off out and let them do the work you paid for. If you bitch at someone for being on the phone because you have the attitude that you own the person while they're doing the job, chances are you're going to get shittier work in return and they won't go out of their way for you or do you any favours. Really.
If it's a long job, the guy is going have to pee, maybe poop, have a snack....
....I've had workers at my home for some very long jobs like furnace installations, that ran into the evening. The guys do a good job, and in return I offer them drinks, sometimes buy food for them etc. It works both ways....
I fully understand if someone running their own shop, like a home inspector, might need to take a couple of phone calls. As long as they're not billing by the hour, it's fine. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:I think what everyone is missing here, is reality.
Many contractors/plumbers, home inspectors don't have an office per se, they may have home offices , for tax purposes and paperwork, but their real office is their trucks and cell phones.
If I'm paying someone by the hour to do a job and they're yakking on the phone, that's one thing, but if they are providing me a service with a fixed fee, who cares, they're taking longer to do my job, costing them more money.
At the same time, in order to survive you still need to take calls (yes it can go to VM) in order to line up future jobs. i agree...if they are going to yak on the phone all day, i wouldn't be happy, but if a couple of quick calls came through, it wouldn't be an issue for me (assuming i am paying for the job, not by the hour)...also, it is quite likely that while i was talking to the contractor on the phone, asking questions and booking my appointment, he was likely doing work on another home as it was...so, it's a "pay it forward" kind of process. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 peterboroAvatars are for posersPremium join:2006-11-03 Peterborough, ON | reply to Styvas said by Styvas: When I have a contractor working at my house, I expect his full attention to the job that I am paying him for. I don't care if he's a home inspector, plumber, or an accountant. Like I said, I'm willing to be cooperative if asked for permission, but otherwise stay off your phone while you're working for me. When I'm at you're home I'll answer my phone anytime I please unless I am conversing with you. If I get the sense you are pissy because of this then he next time you call I'll be booked up for the next ten years. I'll be busy with the customers referred to me and who appreciate the fact that anytime they call I will answer personally. |
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 StyvasGolf Canucks GolfPremium join:2004-09-15 Hamilton, ON | said by peterboro:said by Styvas: When I have a contractor working at my house, I expect his full attention to the job that I am paying him for. I don't care if he's a home inspector, plumber, or an accountant. Like I said, I'm willing to be cooperative if asked for permission, but otherwise stay off your phone while you're working for me. When I'm at you're home I'll answer my phone anytime I please unless I am conversing with you. If I get the sense you are pissy because of this then he next time you call I'll be booked up for the next ten years. I'll be busy with the customers referred to me and who appreciate the fact that anytime they call I will answer personally. Do you answer your phone in the middle of a meeting with your boss? Unless it's about work and it's damned important, I'm going to guess you leave the phone in your pocket.
By the way, when I hired the home inspector who did the inspection for the house that my wife and I just purchased, I called about 4 different guys. One answered immediately (I've no idea where he was at the time), two of the calls were answered by a receptionist/answering service, and the fourth did not answer and I left a message. The one I hired was the one who called me back after I had to leave a message. -- "Moving your Tylenol to the low shelf in your medicine cabinet is not the way to prevent children from falling off a stool when reaching for the top shelf." (said by Savant, May 2008) |
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 StyvasGolf Canucks GolfPremium join:2004-09-15 Hamilton, ON | reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:If I'm paying someone by the hour to do a job and they're yakking on the phone, that's one thing, but if they are providing me a service with a fixed fee, who cares, they're taking longer to do my job, costing them more money. Except that, with home inspections, my experience has been that both the realtor and prospective buyer are standing around waiting for the inspector to finish. It might be costing him more money, but it is also most definitely wasting my time and that of my realtor.
As you said, there's a reality, and amongst other things that's the fact that any phone call we're discussing is likely to take very little time, and there's unlikely to be many of them. Thankfully, Viper asks in advance if it's okay to answer the phone. I'm going to guess that not everyone is so courteous. I've certainly never been asked, but I also don't recall anyone taking a call (I'm not always standing beside them, of course, so I can't say for sure). -- "Moving your Tylenol to the low shelf in your medicine cabinet is not the way to prevent children from falling off a stool when reaching for the top shelf." (said by Savant, May 2008) |
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| reply to Styvas said by Styvas:Do you answer your phone in the middle of a meeting with your boss? Unless it's about work and it's damned important, I'm going to guess you leave the phone in your pocket. Think about this for a minute. Are you standing behind someone doing work in your home the entire time they are there, having a conversation the entire time they are doing the work and never leaving their side? Or are you more likely to turn around the corner and go about your day while periodically checking in to make sure the work is being completed as specified?
No one would expect someone to answer their phone while on-site if they were in the middle of a conversation with you unless it was an emergency or a call from the office or whatnot. But are you in the middle of a conversation the entire time someone is working on-site in your home? Of course not. If you are staring over someone's shoulder and attempting to talk to them the entire time, you're the one holding them up and diverting attention from their work, not the occasional phone call.
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 StyvasGolf Canucks GolfPremium join:2004-09-15 Hamilton, ON | It's a home inspection. I realize that they happen at someone's own home from time to time, but I'm talking about a home on which I've made an offer and am now having inspected (usually do to a condition of the offer). I have literally nothing to do but stand there and chat with the realtor, or accompany the inspector around as he does the work, mostly out of curiosity about what he's finding (typically, they've encouraged me to do so).
I'm not at home. I can't go turn on the TV or get some work done on something else. -- "Moving your Tylenol to the low shelf in your medicine cabinet is not the way to prevent children from falling off a stool when reaching for the top shelf." (said by Savant, May 2008) |
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 GonePremium join:2011-01-24 Fort Erie, ON kudos:3 | I can see your point if you're in constant contact. I don't think it would be a valid concern if it was someone fixing your furnace or installing a new toilet, though. |
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 StyvasGolf Canucks GolfPremium join:2004-09-15 Hamilton, ON | If I'm at my own home it wouldn't be a big deal, no. |
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | reply to prairiesky said by prairiesky:what does a typical $350 inspection include? What qualifications do you need to be a home inspector A typical home inspection includes:
»www.oahi.com/webdocs/Standardsof···-Rev.pdf
But keep in mind, this is minimum that you need to do. There is something called 'Standards of Care' according to which you should do what others in the industry are doing which is above and beyond these standards - else you will be out of business.
You need to know a lot about building envelope.
And there is not set value to the home inspection, it ranges from $200 to $500. You always get what you paid for.
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | reply to Styvas said by Styvas:said by peterboro:said by Styvas: When I have a contractor working at my house, I expect his full attention to the job that I am paying him for. I don't care if he's a home inspector, plumber, or an accountant. Like I said, I'm willing to be cooperative if asked for permission, but otherwise stay off your phone while you're working for me. When I'm at you're home I'll answer my phone anytime I please unless I am conversing with you. If I get the sense you are pissy because of this then he next time you call I'll be booked up for the next ten years. I'll be busy with the customers referred to me and who appreciate the fact that anytime they call I will answer personally. Do you answer your phone in the middle of a meeting with your boss? Unless it's about work and it's damned important, I'm going to guess you leave the phone in your pocket. By the way, when I hired the home inspector who did the inspection for the house that my wife and I just purchased, I called about 4 different guys. One answered immediately (I've no idea where he was at the time), two of the calls were answered by a receptionist/answering service, and the fourth did not answer and I left a message. The one I hired was the one who called me back after I had to leave a message. How did you establish that 4th guy was the best? |
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 StyvasGolf Canucks GolfPremium join:2004-09-15 Hamilton, ON | His schedule worked for me and his price was more in line with what I'd paid in the past (still very high by Alberta rates, but something I could afford). In the end, to be honest, I think I could have picked better, but that's only with 20/20 hindsight. He did a good job, but missed (or misinterpreted) one major issue. To be fair, the guy doesn't have X-ray vision, so it's hard to really fault him. Others have suggested he ought to have caught the problem. I'm not so sure. -- "Moving your Tylenol to the low shelf in your medicine cabinet is not the way to prevent children from falling off a stool when reaching for the top shelf." (said by Savant, May 2008) |
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | reply to Styvas said by Styvas:It's a home inspection. I realize that they happen at someone's own home from time to time, but I'm talking about a home on which I've made an offer and am now having inspected (usually do to a condition of the offer). I have literally nothing to do but stand there and chat with the realtor, or accompany the inspector around as he does the work, mostly out of curiosity about what he's finding (typically, they've encouraged me to do so).
I'm not at home. I can't go turn on the TV or get some work done on something else. Ok - I am not sure who you have been hiring for home inspections but I keep realtor and especially the potential owner busy in the process. I also make sure (or at least encourage) them to walk with me where ever I go and I show them about my findings.
There is a reason why I do certain things in certain way. If the owner does not see me do my word they will never know if i actually did it and I will most likely get a call back. For example, I went to a house the other day and there was a sump pump in the basement. It was a very old pump, I called the owner and asked him to come down while I test it. He yelled that its OK and that he trust my testing. I insisted him to come down so I can test it in front of him. So I tested the sump pump while the owner was there and I documented that fact in my report that the owner was present at the time of the inspection. |
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 ViperCertified Home Inspector join:2012-03-22 Toronto | reply to Styvas said by Styvas:His schedule worked for me and his price was more in line with what I'd paid in the past (still very high by Alberta rates, but something I could afford). In the end, to be honest, I think I could have picked better, but that's only with 20/20 hindsight. He did a good job, but missed (or misinterpreted) one major issue. To be fair, the guy doesn't have X-ray vision, so it's hard to really fault him. Others have suggested he ought to have caught the problem. I'm not so sure. Just out of curiosity....what is that you think he missed or misinterpreted? If you dont mind me asking. |
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