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Mount Airy, MD | Opinions Are Fun! quote:
Anti-municipal broadband bills are protectionist nonsense crafted by predatory bullies and passed by corrupt political halfwits.
And for those of us who are sick of local governments spending money they don't have (especially when they like to claim they are "broke") on such things, they are a breath of fresh air.
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Anti-municipal broadband bills are protectionist nonsense crafted by predatory bullies and passed by corrupt political halfwits.
And for those of us who are sick of local governments spending money they don't have (especially when they like to claim they are "broke") on such things, they are a breath of fresh air. 99% of the rest of their discresionary spending has no real public benefit(i know, i was very close to a medium sized city mayor). Most of these public broadband projects are financed with bonds that are payed back at such a low interest rate, that it does not affect the general funds budget ever, and only a very small portion of the actual funding comes directly from the city's general budget. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Chubbysumo:Most of these public broadband projects are financed with bonds that are payed back at such a low interest rate, that it does not affect the general funds budget ever, and only a very small portion of the actual funding comes directly from the city's general budget. California, Illinois and many other now broke states have used bonds as a financing vehicle for many public works projects.
We all know how that turned out.
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Local governments DO have the right to spend money and since they have this right, who is Time Warner and AT&T to tell them how they should or should not spend it. It should be left up to the LOCAL government to decide how the money is spent. That is the beauty of having a LOCAL government so OUTSIDERS cannot dictate what goes on. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by biochemistry:Local governments DO have the right to spend money and since they have this right ... And the state governments have every right to tell the local governments that they cannot do this.
Local government already has enough responsibilities. And just about every local government is whining that tax revenue is down and that services need to be cut back as a result. More reckless spending is not going to help solve that problem.
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said by pnh102: quote:
Anti-municipal broadband bills are protectionist nonsense crafted by predatory bullies and passed by corrupt political halfwits.
And for those of us who are sick of local governments spending money they don't have (especially when they like to claim they are "broke") on such things, they are a breath of fresh air. What will all those local pols do with no community broadband organization to hire their slacker children and in-laws?  |
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I'm going to venture a guess that you have a direct interest in these things not working out because it puts the local duopolies on notice and hurts their potential profits by a) requiring them to invest to compete b) takes away some of the money they get for doing nothing.
That makes you a partial person and thus your opinion means nothing. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Skippy25:I'm going to venture a guess that you have a direct interest in these things not working out ... If my town decided to do something like this I would, as a taxpayer, be absolutely livid, especially if the same local government was talking about cutbacks to police, firefighters, paramedics, schools, libraries and other such things.
Let the people who *want* this put their own private funds on the line and build all the broadband service they wish, but keep those of us who are not interested in such things out of it.
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Totally agree with you! How can spend money on bonds and pay for them with you're broke and can't even afford to pay for police or fire? or even pay to pave streets?
Soon this will be all over with, after November and all new reps and such are voted for, DC will be passing the Muni bill band and will BLOCk and end these projects from happening. |
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Give it up. Hypocrites are hypocrites. |
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Thats fine, let you be livid and show that in your next vote or at a counsel meeting.
But if my town rejected doing something like this I would be livid. If my town put this to a vote and a majority of the people voted for it and they didnt do it, I would be really livid.
I expect my town to provide me needed services that the private sector is not providing. I consider broadband to be a needed service and I expect them to provide if the local private sector wont. I would even take it far enough to give them (failing private sector) an ultimatum that they provide service or have their ability to do business removed. |
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said by Linklist:What will all those local pols do with no community broadband organization to hire their slacker children and in-laws?
Send them to the licensing agencies.
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Are you as livid while these corrupt corporations waste tons of money on constant political greasing, courtroom visits, wasting taxpayer money every time, for politicians that should be doing something else?
If you are so content with local government rights being thrown out due to the economy, why don't you kindly give up everything? After all, we can't pay for it, so it's obvious you should give up your rights. There's no planning ahead, no time in the future where you would have money huh?
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Metatron2008:Are you as livid while these corrupt corporations waste tons of money on constant political greasing, courtroom visits, wasting taxpayer money every time, for politicians that should be doing something else? I could not care less what a corporation or any other private interest does with its own money.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:But if my town rejected doing something like this I would be livid. If my town put this to a vote and a majority of the people voted for it and they didnt do it, I would be really livid. If a majority of people who supported such a thing were also made to pay for it directly, with no such costs being imposed on people who did not support such a thing, then I might be inclined to be less livid.
What I don't get is that is exactly what can happen now. Any interested group of individuals can pool their own resources, secure financing and create a local non-profit organization that can do this. The local government can help by simply granting all the requisite permits and such and the interests of all involved would be respected.
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The point of this discussion is that the likes of AT&T are lobbying to get legislation passed that says local govts CANNOT set up public broadband services for their constituents. Whether or not the city or county is fiscally responsible and able to achieve this is another story. I would deeply resent some private company telling me what I can and cannot do if I were in a position of city government. This is not some noble act but a cold calculated act designed to prevent revenue erosion for these private companies. They offer no alternative to the lack of services but are making damned sure that these under-served (by design) markets are unable to help themselves.
The whole concept of Federal trumping state, state trumping city/county in decisions like this is a huge load of bovine excrement. When the Feds or the State or the private sector can offer a solution that is not a rape job on the consumer then "maybe" people will be more open to it. |
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said by pnh102:said by Skippy25:I'm going to venture a guess that you have a direct interest in these things not working out ... If my town decided to do something like this I would, as a taxpayer, be absolutely livid, especially if the same local government was talking about cutbacks to police, firefighters, paramedics, schools, libraries and other such things. Let the people who *want* this put their own private funds on the line and build all the broadband service they wish, but keep those of us who are not interested in such things out of it. Its ok for other residents in your community and state to pay for schools for your children to use?
Same thing, some people use the resources, some people don't.
Cancel your internet plan, then see how these people feel. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by toby:Its ok for other residents in your community and state to pay for schools for your children to use? We don't use public schools either.
But to belabor your point, let's go the other way and have everything run by the government, since after all, some people use those things too, right?
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said by pnh102:If a majority of people who supported such a thing were also made to pay for it directly, with no such costs being imposed on people who did not support such a thing, then I might be inclined to be less livid.
I agree, a refund for some middle east wars, some school taxes for sports teams expenses, refund for local adjustments for farm land tax exemptions, refund for federal farm subsidies, oh I don't like the local sheriff either so I need that tax refunded. I didn't support any of these of course.
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