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dogma
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Need El Cheapo DVR suggestions

Just upgraded from my old Dish Network DVR to The Hopper. The old DVR (ViP 722) allowed for off air channels to be recorded. The Hopper does not.

I pretty much only watch off air programming (old shows), and I would like to DVR them. Since these shows are old, most in B&W, Hi-Def quality recording is meaningless. I just want a box, like a TiVo that sits between the antenna and the TV that has remote functionality without any subscription cost. Don't want to build anything.

And I'm talking really cheap if possible. Under $100?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


darcilicious
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Do you really mean "sits between the antenna and the TV" -- the shows you want are available over-the-air via an antenna? Or are you getting these show from your satellite signal?

Also, this just amazes me:

The old DVR (ViP 722) allowed for off air channels to be recorded. The Hopper does not.

Can't you just go to the guide and select record for a particular show like any other DVR?


dogma
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Dish delivers the primary local channels (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX), but none of the remaining DTV channels like 8.1, 10.2, 19.x, etc. So I can record the primaries, but not the others. I want to record the .x's so to speak.

The ViP 722 had an off air coax antenna input, and DTV channels appeared in the guide, and were able to be recorded. The Hopper has no off air coax input.

I don't mind using the TV to switch inputs (from Hopper to off air), but I would like to record the off air programming. It may be best to assume I have no cable/dish, and just off air...and I am looking for an inexpensive method to record off air broadcast.


darcilicious
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If using Windows Media Center is an option (free in Windows 7 and Vista), then an external ATSC (over-the-air, not "off air", btw) tuner will do the trick (»www.hauppauge.com/site/products/···nal.html).

There are other PVR programs that run on computers, if those are of interest, I can post a few pointers.

Otherwise, what you're looking for is an ATSC tuner/recorder and I don't that there is such a critter. Moxie used to do this I believe but they no longer sell/support consumer installations IIRC.

Also, there's almost always the issue of a monthly fee because there needs to be a guide for any decent way to schedule recordings and guide data costs $$.


darcilicious
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Not cheap but this is the kind of box what you're looking for:
»www.channelmasterstore.com/HD_DV···7400.htm

No monthly guide charge though, I don't think.


dogma
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said by darcilicious:

>Channel Master TV CM 7400

Yep, that would be the solution. Thanks! Apparently its a new product and has not made it to eBay yet.

With respect to a PVR set up, is there a minimal Atom based or other low cost solution? IOW, if you had to replicate what the Channel Master TV CM 7400 does using a home made solution, would it be possible for about $100? If so, how would you go about doing it?


darcilicious
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said by dogma:

With respect to a PVR set up, is there a minimal Atom based or other low cost solution?

I would use one of the atsc hauppauge tuners (see my first post, I updated it) and try it on one of my Windows computers with Windows Media Center. But I'm not sure if you're asking about buying a new computer as well?


dogma
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Well, if I had to build one, I would like to recycle an old one laying around here. I take it an older dual core with 4GB RAM + SATA2 HD + some PCI card that has an TV coax (HDMI?) out + the hauppauge tuner + a version of windows that supports Media Center would do it?

Is there a [cheap] PCI card that has both a DTV tuner COAX input as well as a COAX/HDMI output?

Also want to say thanks for the help here.

BTW, I do have a old Mini ITX/ATOM CPU based box here that has ONE PCI card slot.

robbin
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said by dogma:

Is there a [cheap] PCI card that has both a DTV tuner COAX input as well as a COAX/HDMI output?

Tuner card is separate from output. You just need a computer with the proper DVI / HDMI output for your monitor (TV) for the output. Tuner card is input only.

Don't try to do this without Windows 7. That's when it started working really well.

djpcraze
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said by robbin:

Don't try to do this without Windows 7. That's when it started working really well.

Why do you say that? Every HTPC I've ever had/do have runs XP. 7 suffers from too much bloat to do HD effectively on older hardware.
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darcilicious
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said by djpcraze:

7 suffers from too much bloat to do HD effectively on older hardware.

Say what?? I highly recommend W7 because of the Microsoft built-in decoders make playback so much better...


dogma
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reply to dogma
Thanks all.

With respect to XP vs. W7, I can try them both. But for what I need, which isn't HD, I'm sure either will do the trick.


Vchat20
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said by dogma:

Thanks all.

With respect to XP vs. W7, I can try them both. But for what I need, which isn't HD, I'm sure either will do the trick.

XP you will either need a) The specific Media Center edition which is highly difficult to find legally these days, or b) a third party solution either free (most of which I don't, personally, recommend) or paid.

Windows 7 from Home Premium on up has Media Center built in which is arguably the best PC based DVR option you can get your hands on. Throw in the tuner and a cheap v1 or v2 MCE remote (often <$20 in MANY locations) and you're set.
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