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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

In ten years, probably less, doping or the use of PEDs will with restrictions and oversight be legal and controlled in many sports.


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For all of you who are relishing the take-down of Armstrong, you have also probably succeeded in taking down Cycling too...

People raced competitively on bicycles before there ever were sponsors. They'll continue to do with regardless of sponsorships or lack thereof.
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The Livestrong foundation doesn't even fund cancer research. Hopefully some of the sponsors Livestrong is losing will end up sponsoring charities that actually do cancer research.

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I found a curiously fuzzy mix of cancer-war goals like "survivorship" and "global awareness," labels that seem to entail plastering the yellow Livestrong logo on everything from T-shirts to medical conferences to soccer stadiums. Much of the foundation's work ends up buffing the image of one Lance Edward Armstrong, which seems fair--after all, Livestrong wouldn't exist without him. But Livestrong spends massively on advertising, PR, and "branding," all of which helps preserve Armstrong's marketability at a time when he's under fire. Meanwhile, Armstrong has used the goodwill of his foundation to cut business deals that have enriched him personally, an ethically questionable move.
12-page article from January 2012
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Livestrong raises funds and awareness to help cancer survivors and those battling cancer in a variety of ways.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Arms···undation

The Charity Navigator along with other such charity rating agency gives Livestrong very high marks for seeing that the percentage of money taken it is spent on the charitable goals:

»www.charitynavigator.org/index.c···gid=6570

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"The Livestrong brand was more about the foundation and fighting cancer than it ever was about Lance Armstrong," Matt Powell, an analyst at consultancy SportsOneSource told the Wall Street Journal.

Still, in a philantropy.com article, Lenkowsky points out that unlike the case with many other celebrity charities, Armstrong embodies Livestrong's mission: he is a cancer survivor.

Kevin Gallivan, a 47-year-old cancer survivor, says that he, for one, is able to compartmentalize the scandal and the cause. "He can be a liar, and he is, but it's not going to affect my life in any way other than cancer," Gallivan told Businessweek. "I wear a Livestrong band on my wrist, and I will until the day I die."
»www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1···080.html

And a broader view and different perspective on the foundation.

»www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati···ories%29

Make no mistake about it, the foundation and the massive amount or level of good it does and the incredible amount of money raised over the years could not have been accomplished without Lance Armstrong accomplishments cycling and the tremendous consistent personal amount of time he has spent in actively promoting the foundation and its goals.

Speaking global and societal basis it is a sad commentary to see so many haters as opposed to critics of Armstrong that want to tear down, attack or hurt him and anything or anybody he is associated with regardless of the goodness or worth of same.

Lots of people in every country oppose what they feel Armstrong represents. However, their motives vary as much as night and day. They speak with "immunity."

Those that to various degrees speak positively or in outright support of Armstrong are routinely verbally attacked on a personal level.

The Livestrong foundation will survive and continue its good works but it will unlikely ever reach the heights of success of the past.


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The Charity Navigator along with other such charity rating agency gives Livestrong very high marks for seeing that the percentage of money taken it is spent on the charitable goals:

»www.charitynavigator.org/index.c···gid=6570

I don't see where that link says where the money is spent.

REVENUE
Total Contributions $29,724,618
Program Service Revenue $653,958
Total Primary Revenue $30,378,576
Other Revenue $11,888,834
TOTAL REVENUE $42,267,410

EXPENSES
Program Expenses $25,329,225
Administrative Expenses $1,946,759
Fundraising Expenses $4,277,423
TOTAL FUNCTIONAL EXPENSES $31,553,407

Payments to Affiliates $0
Excess (or Deficit) for the year $10,714,003
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Most people—including nearly everybody I surveyed while reporting this story—assume that Livestrong funnels large amounts of money into cancer research. Nope. The foundation gave out a total of $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005, the year it began phasing out its support of hard science. A note on the foundation’s website informs visitors that, as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals.

Nevertheless, the notion persists that Livestrong’s main purpose is to help pay for lab research into cancer cures. In an online “60 Minutes Overtime” interview after the May broadcast, CBS anchor Scott Pelley said Armstrong’s alleged misdeeds were mitigated because “he has raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research.”

Pelley isn’t alone in getting that wrong: a search of The New York Times turns up dozens of hits for “Armstrong” and “cancer research.” An Associated Press story from August 2010 described Livestrong as “one of the top 10 groups funding cancer research in the United States.” The comments section of any article about Armstrong will inevitably include messages like this one from ESPN.com: “keep raising millions for cancer research lance, and ignore the haters.”
»www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-ad···l?page=3
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But the foundation’s financial reports from 2009 and 2010 show that Livestrong’s resources pay for a very large amount of marketing and PR. During those years, the foundation raised $84 million and spent just over $60 million. (The rest went into a reserve of cash and assets that now tops $100 million.)

A surprising $4.2 million of that went straight to advertising, including large expenditures for banner ads and optimal search-engine placement. Outsourcing is the order of the day: $14 million of total spending, or more than 20 percent, went to outside consultants and professionals. That figure includes $2 million for construction, but much of the money went to independent organizations that actually run Livestrong programs. For example, Livestrong paid $1 million to a Boston–based public-health consulting firm to manage its campaigns in Mexico and South Africa against cancer stigma—the perception that cancer is contagious or invariably fatal.

Livestrong touts its stigma programs, but it spent more than triple that, $3.5 million in 2010 alone, for merchandise giveaways and order fulfillment. Curiously, on Livestrong’s tax return most of those merchandise costs were categorized as “program” expenses. CFO Greg Lee says donating the wristbands counts as a program because “it raises awareness.”

This kind of spending dwarfs Livestrong’s outlays for its direct services and patient-focused programs like Livestrong at the YMCA, an exercise routine tailored to cancer survivors available at YMCAs nationwide ($424,000 in 2010). There’s also a Livestrong at School program, offered in conjunction with Scholastic magazine ($630,000 in 2010).
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Livestrong spends as much on legal bills as on these two programs combined: $1.8 million in 2009–10, mainly to protect its trademarks. In one memorable case, its lawyers shut down a man in Oklahoma who was selling Barkstrong dog collars. Meanwhile, “benefits to donors” (also merchandise, as well as travel expenses for Livestrong Challenge fundraisers) accounted for another $1.4 million in spending in 2010.

There’s still a research department, but now it focuses on things like quality-of-life surveys of cancer survivors. During my visit, I was plied with glossy reports and brochures, which are cranked out by the truckload. The foundation’s 2010 copying-and-printing bill came to almost $1.5 million.

But Livestrong’s largest single project in 2009—indeed, the main focus of Armstrong’s comeback—was the Livestrong Global Cancer Summit, held in Dublin in August. The summit ate up close to 20 percent of the foundation’s $30 million in program spending that year.
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UCI agrees to strip Armstrong of his 7 Tour titles

»sports.yahoo.com/news/uci-agrees···spt.html

''Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling and he deserves to be forgotten in cycling,'' McQuaid said at a news conference. ''This is a landmark day for cycling.''

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said by Silvanos:

''This is a landmark day for cycling.''

Yep, and it may be the very end of professional cycling as we know it too...
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said by JRW2:

said by Silvanos:

''This is a landmark day for cycling.''

Yep, and it may be the very end of professional cycling as we know it too...

That's a much too USA-centric position. Cycling will continue to go on, but whether or not it'll remain popular in the states is another matter altogether.

I'd still like for some science to prove Armstrong doped, not testimony from other dopers.
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said by drew:

I'd still like for some science to prove Armstrong doped, not testimony from other dopers.

So would I, and a years old sample, with a dubious chain of evidence, does not instill confidence in me that he did "dope"....
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A guy I know who is a former USA Olympic Athlete and long-time acquantaince of Armstrong says the USADA has some solid science in their report and that it's worth the read.
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Well here we go

»rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_topstorie···dex.html

let everyone do dope.
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