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FFH5
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Re: Armstrong files counter lawsuit

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»www.tsn.ca/cycling/story ··· d=400234

this is getting funny.............he's scared now.

You seem to be deriving a lot of pleasure from his predicament. Is their something personal against Armstrong?

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Ya he's a cheating asshole.
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Armstrong suit against anti-doping agency tossed

»www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/s ··· ories%29
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"This court is not inclined to indulge Armstrong's desire for publicity, self-aggrandizement, or vilification of defendants, by sifting through 80 mostly unnecessary pages in search of the few kernels of factual material relevant to his claims," Sparks wrote. He urged the cyclist to re-file his lawsuit without "any improper argument, rhetoric, or irrelevant material."

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Re: Armstrong files counter lawsuit

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Ya he's a cheating asshole.

And how do you know he is a cheating asshole?

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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

Let's see. His last tour win was 2005. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent? This is a turd in a punchbowl. Ban the USADA.

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Judge throws out Lance Armstrong's lawsuit

»rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_t ··· dex.html

Draiman
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It's the same thing as the Saint's Bounty with Vilma. The court's don't have the power to act so they have to toss them. It doesn't mean anything other then that.

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Re: Armstrong suit against anti-doping agency tossed

»espn.go.com/olympics/cyc ··· g-career

looks like he gave up fighting the charges...

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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

It is such a shame to see whats happening in he world of sports right now. You seriously cant look up to any of these people anymore.

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Re: Armstrong suit against anti-doping agency tossed

"I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today -- finished with this nonsense. "

- Lance Armstrong

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Good.....hope they strip him of every title he won by cheating.

Now if Selig had any cajones and stripped Bonds of his records......it would be a great year.

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Full Statement

»lancearmstrong.com/news- ··· -23-2012

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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

oh my, he's been banned for life AND stripped of all titles!!!

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What goes around comes around

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yep

banned 4 lyfe and stripped of all 7 titles espn reports.

»espn.go.com/olympics/cyc ··· g-career

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said by mromero:

yep

banned 4 lyfe and stripped of all 7 titles espn reports.

»espn.go.com/olympics/cyc ··· g-career

Word is that the international cycling bodies won't recognize the USADA actions to strip titles.

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Good. It astounds me that word of two admitted cheaters is held above that of someone who has never failed a drug test.

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I don't understand what authority the USADA has to strip him of titles. I thought the USADA only had authority in things like the olympics and pan-american games. How or under what authority, could they take away his tour de france titles?

Almost sounds like the NCAA stripping an NFL player of his super bowl title. It doesn't make sense to me.

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yep

banned 4 lyfe and stripped of all 7 titles espn reports.

»espn.go.com/olympics/cyc ··· g-career

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When asked whether USADA had the authority to strip Armstrong of his Tour de France titles, Fahey replied: "Olympic medals and titles are for other agencies to decide, not WADA."

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It's laughable to think a US agency can strip something they have no control over. They would need to get the ASO/EPA to strip the titles. They can ban him from US events but again they have no power to ban him anywhere else. What a joke!

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Pretty easy to see what is going on here. Armstrong didn't want to go through the hearing in which 10 or more people were going to testify that they saw him doping.
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The antidoping agency said more than 10 witnesses — including some of Armstrong’s former teammates and allies — had agreed to testify against Armstrong in a public hearing. There, the antidoping agency planned to reveal its evidence against him.
»www.nytimes.com/2012/08/ ··· nted=all

The guy's public image is what he cares about the most, and hearing those witnesses publicly would harm his image more than just not fighting it to him.

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And he could not win in that kangaroo court. I think he did what was right for his family and cause. To hell with the USADA.
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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

Lance Armstrong is an athletic and cycling icon. He has an unparallelled record in his sport.

He is also a genuine miracle survivor of cancer. The extent of his cancer was such that there is just no way statistically or realistically that he should have survived.

During the most extensive chemotherapy and other forms of treatment his body wasted away to nothing. After his cancer was eliminated he began to get his muscle mass back and to get in shape. It is an indisputable physical fact and a matter of record that his muscles that redeveloped themselves "grew" back into a different shape. They were longer, leaner, more efficient and stronger. The difference in his body after recovery as opposed to before his cancer when he was a World Champion are obvious to even a non-sports fan. The new muscles raised his level of cycling efficiency from that of a World Champion to a cyclist that was even stronger and faster.

Given the above it is no wonder that Armstrong is the story. It is understandable.

However, IMO it is the USADA that should be the focus of the story.

They now come out years after his retirement from cycling and go back over the last 12 years of his career and claim that they have proof of his doping. Their proof is...why essentially just a collection of characters from central castings comprised mostly of other cyclists, many caught cheating by testing, including former champions, with an ax to grind, or an agenda, or to gain something, or enhance themselves in some way by stating Armstrong doped and some cases encouraged them to dope. The USADA offers no scientific or physical proof that Armstrong doped.

Many of these same people that would be witnesses used by the USADA to testify against Armstrong are disgraced and banned former cyclists.

The sport that he competed in and during the period he competed was perhaps the international sport with the most regular and long running doping going on. Virtually all of the top riders doped. (Just look at the list of those caught--as in really caught doping as opposed to allegedly doping.)

The above all said IMO the real story here is the rogue out of control USADA. Whether Armstrong doped or not is not as important to me as the kangaroo court USADA and their egregious methods and actions.

In the US justice system including the civil and administrative as well as the criminal there is a time honored thing known as the statute of limitations. The principle of the statue limitations exists for the interest of justice. The USADA is not bound by that, (a fact in of itself that should be rectified), and in essence they are literally persecuting not prosecuting Armstrong, going back twelve years into his cycling career and using the judicial equivalent of jailhouse informants to in essence convict him before even a fair and impartial hearing on the very same matter that he was investigated for and cleared by the DOJ.

All the other cyclist banned and caught cheating failed a drug test. Armstrong took over 500 tests and never failed one.

If the USADA has proof that Armstrong cheated, real proof the let them show it. And by the way where have they been hiding this proof for the past 12 years that now suddenly they claim to have?

Persecution not prosecution and a gross abuse of power under the color of authority. That's the USADA when it comes to Armstrong.

A travesty.

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I seem to remember that "someone" accused Armstrong of having an edge because of his chemotherapy drugs...

Like you said, I think they wanted to take him down, period, facts be dammed...

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The USADA even waived their own statute of limitations so they could 'strip' him of all titles. They wanted him bad. That is their only 'proof'.
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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies

If Armstrong passed every drug test, 500 over a twelve year period and he is now accused of doping then what's the point of the tests?
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Don't bring logic and reasoning in to this discussion. The Armstrong issue should be discussed void of facts and strictly on hatred for the man. /sarcasm