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Re: Armstrong files counter lawsuit said by Insight:The evidence is substantially other riders who doped saying Armstrong doped too. Most of them doped and eventually flunked a drug test—or two. Armstrong passed ALL of his tests, over 500. I guess he was a genius and the rest were morons? Therein is the rub with this report, every one of them got caught, yet Armstrong didn't, how did he manage this, if they were ALL doping the same way, at the same time???
However, for the sake of argument, the argument is that everybody was doping. OK. If so then it was a level playing field. Armstrong doped. His competitors doped. In a level playing field Armstrong was the most dominant rider or all time. Had no one doped he still would have been the most dominant rider of all time.
While the evidence presented in this report seems insurmountable, one does have to question the timing and how long it took for them to essentially "catch" him... 
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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ is like the most biased and (insert favorite word) person around here. He's already been insulting us and the nation as a whole, might as well since it seems to be okay around here.
Why are people still replying to him? If it were up to him, he'd give Armstrong the death penalty. It's already been mentioned but if he even DID dope and so many others did, then why did he still win if the playing field was practically even? Why did he get caught and not others.
So much of the so called evidence don't fit the scenario and the time frame is just ridiculous. Until there is real proof he doped (i.e FAILED A FUCKING TEST), then yeah he deserves to lose his shit.
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kudos:1 | an unlikely hero »www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19930514
At least someone had the balls to do the ''right thing''.
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There probably was less than 1% of Tour de France contestants that weren't doping.
Yes that's true,doesn't say much for the integrity of the sport. 
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Re: Armstrong getting caught up in lies What I don't get is if they were all involved, why didn't the other guys demand their turn in the yellow jersey instead of letting LA have all the glory. I remain unconvinced.
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Coastie | What I cannot understand is, if the evidence were so convincing why did the Feds drop the case? |
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| said by capdjq:What I cannot understand is, if the evidence were so convincing why did the Feds drop the case?
Because there wasn't sufficient evidence to warrant charges?
Also, unlike the USDA they weren't in a position to offer deals and incentives to the USDA "jailhouse informants" as well as other "witnesses" against Armstrong like the USDA is and has.
All that there is to be said has I think for the most part been all ready posted.
The one thing that is REALLY strange is that there are in addition to the gaggle of fellow cyclists testifying that Armstrong doped for his entire career and they themselves flunked drug tests plus the the other Tour or international bike winners and competitors of Armstrong that failed doping tests and were suspended as well as having their titles stripped and again all failed drug tests. All of them claim Armstrong was the worst offender. The longest offender. The "ringleader" and Godfather of doping including bullying others to dope, "Lance made me do it" and so on yet Armstrong is the ONLY one that never failed a test.
The only one. Like I said earlier as a legitimate question and point--were all of the numerous other failed caught cheaters morons so they got caught while Armstrong was some kind of Merlin? |
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Armstrong is indeed a wizard apparently. |
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| said by loli:Armstrong is indeed a wizard apparently.
Yeah, really. I mean the guy allegedly got complete blood transfusions in his room converted to a medical facility and yet never was caught while a simple test caught all of his cycling critics. Pretty entertaining facts regardless of whether or not he doped. |
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Coastie | There are a few athletes I hold above others. Armstrong is one of them. I find it very difficult to believe he could pass hundreds of drug tests. He was woken in the middle of the night, without warning, and tested, during races. He had tests every day during and before the tour. The French were out to get him. To my mind all we have are the words of cheaters who were caught. That's why, IMO, the Feds had no case. Their testimony would have been ripped to shreds by any competent defense lawyer.
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