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Re: [Other] Microsoft to Launch Tablet to Rival iPad? I THOUGHT I knew what you meant until I sat down and forgo all the reviews/hate/whatever and actually learned it.
Since then I loved it, I am much more productive with it. I cannot wait to upgrade to Windows 8 on my work production workstation/server. |
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Last I heard, Server 2012 is the same as Windows 8.
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| If by the same you mean you get the metro screen and not the start menu when you login/press windows key, yes it is. If you mean it's the same OS, no, it is not 
It's a server OS. You're not supposed to be using it all the time anyway!
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Mele20Premium
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said by kickass69:If Microsoft wasn't forcing desktop users to use a mobile interface then these analysts wouldn't have even brought it up. Especially forcing this interface on Server 2012. They could've released Windows 8 with the mobile interface for mobile devices while the traditional desktop interface stays on the desktop with 32-bit and 64-bit apps working on either.
Microsoft brought this issue on themselves by overreaching and not truly listening to all their customers...consumers and businesses alike.
They are not forcing me. I am like many who will be buying a new computer (still on XP Pro) before Windows 8 is released. I will use Windows 7 for the next 5-6 years. I'll be buying a new Dell Ultrasharp 24 inch monitor fairly soon too. I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints. Microsoft is supporting Win 7 until 2020 so they can go jump in the lake in regards to trying to force Metro on desktop users. They are just setting themselves up for a repeat of XP refusing to die...now it will be Win 7 refusing to die.
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Oh that's what I meant =) I did mean by Metro UI/Start Screen would be the same in 8 when you click "start". |
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said by Mele20:They are just setting themselves up for a repeat of XP refusing to die...now it will be Win 7 refusing to die.
You'll never update to anything Mele
I would guess Win8 won't be an upgrade in enterprises, which are only just now starting to roll out win7. The one *after* win8 would be the one enterprises upgrade to, and that will address whatever UI tweaks are needed - plus by then everything will be touch-enabled, or able to read minds, or whatever the next big thing is.
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I think it’s a bit of an understatement to suggest that Metro is simply a Start menu replacement. I mean I agree that when I use it I can think of it as such but there are additional menu settings outside of the traditional Start menu that are accessible in Metro mode. I just think it’s a bit of an oversimplification to think of Metro as an expanded or glorified Start menu. I also fully expect that Microsoft will add even more menus and control panels to Metro in the future making the experience even more enveloping.
Anyway, I can deal with Metro (I kind of like it too now) and you can deal with it but clearly many others are either unwilling or unable to adjust to it. Metrosoft,….ummmm I mean Microsoft runs the risk of vilifying “Tiles”,…ummmm I mean “Windows” and its new Metro interface if it feels like a forced agenda to the user / administrator.
Real or not, if the perception is that Metro is an unusable dog then that is what it will be in the minds of the populous. In some cases reality is what people make it. In other words it’s the perception of reality, not necessarily reality itself that often shape our world. |
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"They are not forcing me. I am like many who will be buying a new computer (still on XP Pro) before Windows 8 is released. I will use Windows 7 for the next 5-6 years. I'll be buying a new Dell Ultrasharp 24 inch monitor fairly soon too. I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints. Microsoft is supporting Win 7 until 2020 so they can go jump in the lake in regards to trying to force Metro on desktop users. They are just setting themselves up for a repeat of XP refusing to die...now it will be Win 7 refusing to die."
I have to agree with you 100%. There is no way I will accept Win 8 on a desktop or laptop. I will stick with Win 7 till support ends if necessary, or if I really get desperate, I'll use linux. Forcing Metro on desktop/laptop users is the biggest farce I've ever seen... |
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kudos:1 | Windows 8 has the same quasi built in success as its predecessors given that it will be preinstalled on new PCs, laptops, ultra books, tablets and so on. Maybe there will be a downgrade option but Microsoft sells to OEMs in all likelihood on a much larger scale then individual users and "a sale is a sale is a sale". |
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said by Kerodo:"They are not forcing me. I am like many who will be buying a new computer (still on XP Pro) before Windows 8 is released. I will use Windows 7 for the next 5-6 years. I'll be buying a new Dell Ultrasharp 24 inch monitor fairly soon too. I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints. Microsoft is supporting Win 7 until 2020 so they can go jump in the lake in regards to trying to force Metro on desktop users. They are just setting themselves up for a repeat of XP refusing to die...now it will be Win 7 refusing to die."
I have to agree with you 100%. There is no way I will accept Win 8 on a desktop or laptop. I will stick with Win 7 till support ends if necessary, or if I really get desperate, I'll use linux. Forcing Metro on desktop/laptop users is the biggest farce I've ever seen...
You know your monitor gets dirty overtime? When you cough or sneeze or whatever? There are far more nasty stuff than fingerprints on many monitors =) |
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said by Mele20:I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints.
Seriously. You don't have to have a touchscreen to run Windows 8.
And strangely enough, all those nasty fingerprints don't seem to bother the owners (myself included) of iPads ($500-$829) or other "touch" devices.
And a clean screen is a microcloth swipe away. |
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said by Octavean:I think it’s a bit of an understatement to suggest that Metro is simply a Start menu replacement. I mean I agree that when I use it I can think of it as such but there are additional menu settings outside of the traditional Start menu that are accessible in Metro mode. I just think it’s a bit of an oversimplification to think of Metro as an expanded or glorified Start menu. I also fully expect that Microsoft will add even more menus and control panels to Metro in the future making the experience even more enveloping.
Anyway, I can deal with Metro (I kind of like it too now) and you can deal with it but clearly many others are either unwilling or unable to adjust to it. Metrosoft,….ummmm I mean Microsoft runs the risk of vilifying “Tiles”,…ummmm I mean “Windows” and its new Metro interface if it feels like a forced agenda to the user / administrator.
Real or not, if the perception is that Metro is an unusable dog then that is what it will be in the minds of the populous. In some cases reality is what people make it. In other words it’s the perception of reality, not necessarily reality itself that often shape our world.
Maybe. I do like it better than traditional Start Menu. Way better. I mean I don't see many people going through their "All Programs" list to run their software every time. I see them loading software via pinned taskbar OR desktop icons - that's it. Barely the start menu. And I'm very sure it will improve over time. This is just a start (no pun intended)
And yea there are way too many ignorant people here that just takes others word for it - just like Vista days. I expected it.
More info:
»blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011···een.aspx
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| said by Razzy:I see them loading software via pinned taskbar OR desktop icons - that's it.
I just type a few letters for what I want to run and then click it
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by Razzy:I see them loading software via pinned taskbar OR desktop icons - that's it.
I just type a few letters for what I want to run and then click it I just type a few letters for what I want to run and then hit "enter". |
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said by darcilicious:said by Mele20:I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints.
Seriously. You don't have to have a touchscreen to run Windows 8. And strangely enough, all those nasty fingerprints don't seem to bother the owners (myself included) of iPads ($500-$829) or other "touch" devices. And a clean screen is a microcloth swipe away. I have a Dell Ultrasharp 19" 5:4 LCD monitor that will be 9 years old November 1. It has about 28,000 hours on it and still is fine EXCEPT for spots mostly on the lower third of the screen that I can't wipe off. The spots are very noticeable on white backgrounds and beginning to irritate me. I think all Ultrasharps have non-reflective screens (they are aimed at corporate users mostly) and that is a main reason (besides they are great monitors) people buy them. The only way to clean them is with a soft cloth and that doesn't remove spots usually. You are supposed to be careful with them.
The Ipad and most laptop screens are highly reflective (although I think that craze has died down somewhat as I see laptops now with non-reflective screens). I don't know but I would think that a touch screen monitor would need to be a reflective one. I don't want a reflective monitor. Dell has just come out with a stunning all in one desktop that has gotten rave reviews but it has a non touch screen even though anyone buying it can upgrade to Windows 8 for $15 on it. Dell has not yet made any touch screen monitors and I doubt they will for the Ultrasharps and those are the only monitors I will consider.
I can see having reflective screens and touch ones for tablets, ultrabooks, but for most laptops no and definitely no for desktops.
Why would someone want to run Windows 8 without a touch screen? What would be the point in Metro?
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said by darcilicious:said by JohnInSJ:said by Razzy:I see them loading software via pinned taskbar OR desktop icons - that's it.
I just type a few letters for what I want to run and then click it I just type a few letters for what I want to run and then hit "enter". Yep that works if the thing you want is the only thing found...
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said by Mele20:
Why would someone want to run Windows 8 without a touch screen? What would be the point in Metro?
live tiles provide ambient information when doing something other than working in a single application.
The "why would someone want" question is as old as time. Why would anyone need a PC? No one will ever need more than 640kb, etc, etc.
The answer is "someone does".
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Yeah me too, most average people still doesn't know that they could just start typing and get what they want. |
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said by Mele20:Why would someone want to run Windows 8 without a touch screen? What would be the point in Metro?
I am more productive in it than previous Windows. I like the live tiles on the start screen - kept me in the loop better. And when I (finally) get a tablet - it'll work exactly the same way as Windows 8 but with a touch screen. I never used IE10 in Metro for any other reason beside checking it out on my desktop - just a regular IE10 browser. Sometimes I'd go into the stock or weather metro apps to check out the information I want - very useful informations right up front. This is all with using a mouse - no touchscreen on my home PC - I don't think I'd want a touchscreen for a while because of cost and I'm all about the screen quality (resolutions, DPI, colors, etc) more than touching the screen. Maybe I'll change my mind in a few years but right now, I don't want (or need) a touchscreen on my Windows 8 desktop. |
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said by Mele20:said by darcilicious:said by Mele20:I have no desire to mess up a $500 monitor with nasty fingerprints.
Seriously. You don't have to have a touchscreen to run Windows 8. And strangely enough, all those nasty fingerprints don't seem to bother the owners (myself included) of iPads ($500-$829) or other "touch" devices. And a clean screen is a microcloth swipe away. I have a Dell Ultrasharp 19" 5:4 LCD monitor that will be 9 years old November 1. It has about 28,000 hours on it and still is fine EXCEPT for spots mostly on the lower third of the screen that I can't wipe off. The spots are very noticeable on white backgrounds and beginning to irritate me. I think all Ultrasharps have non-reflective screens (they are aimed at corporate users mostly) and that is a main reason (besides they are great monitors) people buy them. The only way to clean them is with a soft cloth and that doesn't remove spots usually. You are supposed to be careful with them. Right. So don't touch the screen. This still doesn't prevent you from using Windows 8
Dell has not yet made any touch screen monitors and I doubt they will for the Ultrasharps and those are the only monitors I will consider.
I can see having reflective screens and touch ones for tablets, ultrabooks, but for most laptops no and definitely no for desktops.
Why would someone want to run Windows 8 without a touch screen? What would be the point in Metro?
But okay, so Windows 8 isn't for you. That's grand. Then don't get it. And don't complain about not getting it. Done and done. |
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