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bfollowell3

join:2009-12-11
Evansville, IN
reply to Singular

Re: [CATV] Evansville structured wiring question

Well, I have satellite and, for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would ever consider satellite if they had wired cable available. I have satellite television and Hughesnet Internet right now for one reason and one reason only; that's all I can get.

I thought about running the way you suggest but having twelve cable runs come out the side of my house to a cable box seems sort of ridiculous. Heck, I think the cable guy would think I was insane. If you look at any structured wiring plans, forums or websites, everyone has high end splitters in their plan. I think it's a fairly common practice.

Still, if that's what people normally do. Anyone else suggest this?

Thanks for the reply.

- Byron


news

@videotron.ca
said by bfollowell3:

I thought about running the way you suggest but having twelve cable runs come out the side of my house to a cable box seems sort of ridiculous. Heck, I think the cable guy would think I was insane. If you look at any structured wiring plans, forums or websites, everyone has high end splitters in their plan. I think it's a fairly common practice.

Still, if that's what people normally do. Anyone else suggest this?

Thanks for the reply.

- Byron

I don't know what you want to do exactly, but the most important is to bring all cables to one location (home run), habitually the power panel, where the ground is located. You or the cable guy can bring only one or two cables from this central location to outside where the cable drop is located on the house (habitually at the power meter).

You can always let the cable guy do the connectors and install the appropriate splitters and/or amplifier if needed, when he will come to install the cable services.¨

Daisy Chain wiring is today obsolete in catv world and Home Run is the way to go if you don't want issues with your services.

bfollowell3

join:2009-12-11
Evansville, IN

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Well that's sort of what I was thinking. I was thinking of taking three wires out from my panel out the side of the house to the cable box. I was thinking of boosting each of these with a 20 or 30db amplifier and then splitting each of them 4 ways using Monster Cable 2GHz 4-way splitters to branch out to all my runs around the house.

I haven't been where I could have real wired cable or Internet for about five years and I know things have likely changed a lot but in my experience, most installers have used fairly cheap, low quality splitters and amps, if they used amps at all.

That's why I was curious what others may've done/used. Then, unless I misunderstood him, Singular suggested doing a dedicated run for each drop... It sounds like my initial idea may've been right on the money after all.

Also, for what it's worth, I think the garage is the most common place for the main electrical service anymore but because of heat, I'm not certain that would be the best location for my distribution panel.

Thanks.

- Byron


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
Home Run them, do not amp and split, will create nightmares diag Dig Cable issues. I've home ran to a leviton structured medial pannel. have one incoming line from insight that they installed their own amp, then fed out to their own 8 way splitter, before the amp they tap and splitted to the internet and phone modems.

bfollowell3

join:2009-12-11
Evansville, IN
OK, I guess I'm having trouble understanding what the difference between what I'm suggesting and what you're suggesting is. I want to run the wires back to my panel where I'll have my high quality splitters and, if needed, amps. You say no, this will cause no end of trouble. Then you suggest I run all 12 or 15 or however many lines I have back to the cable box and let the cable company use their splitters and amps instead. Other than them using what in my past experience has been really cheap, low-quality splitters and amps, rather than me using mine, what is the difference in who splits & amplifies and why would it make a difference?!

I'm not trying to be difficult but what you're suggesting makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm very likely missing the boat somewhere so someone please help me understand the logic of this reply.

Thanks.

- Byron


news

@videotron.ca
You tell us you want to use a 20 or 30 dB amplifier for each feed coming from the cable box to feed your tv's. Do you know, the distribution amplifier from the cable company feeding your entire street has an output of about 36 or 38 dBmv on channel 3 and about 45 or 48 dBmV for the higher channels.

If your signal at the input of your 20 dB amplifier is 5 dB on channel 3, you will have 25 dB, it's very high to feed a 4-way or 8-way splitter. You are not feeding a street.

The best thing to do, is to bring all the cables to one location and let the cable guy installing what he need to install. All the splitters, amplifiers installed by cable companies are SCTE certified and are build by the same manufacturers building distribution amplifiers, line splitters, connectors for the cable networks.

You asked to give you advices, it is what we do...


news

@videotron.ca
reply to bfollowell3
By the way, Monster Cable don't build Line splitters, couplers or cable taps for cable netwoks, Regal Technologies, Antronix do and they are much less expensive than Monster Cable.

»www.antronix.net/

»www.arrisi.com/product_catalog/regal.asp


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to bfollowell3
You want as little as "splices" in the line between the cable box and the main input. Bear in mind every wall jack is just a fancy barrel connector so you will get a lil signal loss from that. Insight recommends that from the cable box it goes to the wall outlet, from that a straight run to their splitter that has the main incoming signal being distributed. Having one line running to the second floor while sounds great, is actually going to cause problems. as whatever splitter get used in the craw space in the attic if it goes bad will cause problems for every line hooked up to it. And the line about Insight using low quality splitters or amps, is wrong. Don't believe the Radio shack or Monster et al hype, what the cable company uses has been tested for their system. Lately they have been using Regal or Commscope splitters and Emerson Network Power Amps.

bfollowell3

join:2009-12-11
Evansville, IN
reply to news
said by news :

You asked to give you advices, it is what we do...

You're right, I did, and I do appreciate it. I just want it to make sense to me too. I'm trying to learn a little something too, so that I don't wind up making too many mistakes.

bfollowell3

join:2009-12-11
Evansville, IN
reply to OSUGoose
OK, I guess that makes sense. I still don't see why I would have that many more splices than the if the cable guys do it. If nothing else, I certainly understand it from the point of troubleshooting down the road if problems were to arise.

As far as my experience with cable companies using low-quality splitters or amps, keep in mind that I did mention it's been over four years since I had any experience with "wired" cable/Internet. I'm sure a lot's in changed in the four years I've been living in the technological sticks.

Thanks again to everyone for your advice. It's definitely been helpful.