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newster

join:2011-09-26
reply to kalone

Re: What usenet service everyone using now?

said by kalone:

Not new. Been around for years promoting Highwinds.

Does anyone know how much they pay him? Highwinds is about the worst.

It's a ridiculous argument that eliminating group names stops content from being posted. Let's assume that people who post highly illegal and/or confidential stuff would do it in a way that can't easily be traced (ordinary usenet posts are highly traceable) or even noticed by casual observers, methods such as using multihop anonymous remailers (many only post to text groups) in groups such as alt.anonymous.messages.

One reason why most newsgroup providers don't want to sensor is that they know it's a slippery slope. Whenever torrent sites like Mininova were on trial, the prosecution would always drive in the point about how they could police the site for pornographic content but not copyrighted content. So the act of being a good citizen is used against them. This is also probably why the millions of harmful viruses that get posted get ignored by NSPs, as it's safer to do nothing than have to answer for partial enforcement.


DrWhovian

join:2012-06-15
T4022

said by newster:

Does anyone know how much they pay him? Highwinds is about the worst.

Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they had years ago but I have been using UsenetServer for two years and have nothing but good things to say about them.

Obviously this is a heated topic for some people but I think most people would agree that there is some stuff on the Usenet that doesn't have a place anywhere because it is so terrible. I have been using the Usenet for over a decade and have high respect for all the contributors of all the discussion groups and it is blatantly true that there are a set of binary groups whose contents tarnishes the Usenet as a whole and that is why I think most of your major NSPs have sided with the IWF to help protect the integrity of the Usenet. Unfortunately to often these days the Usenet is stereo typed into a place where you can find porn and music but anyone who has been a real member of the Usenet community for a long time knows this is not true. I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.

unoriginal
Premium
join:2000-07-12
San Diego, CA

quote:
I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.
Thanks for an epic first post. Besides your claim and sfl0w's rants does anyone actually have any proof that Readnews is refusing to comply with any laws that require them to remove harmful content from their servers? Child porn, warez, tv shows, or otherwise?


DrWhovian

join:2012-06-15
T4022

said by unoriginal:

quote:
I agree at least in part with @sfl0w that the NSPs have a certain level of responsibility, I certainly don't want to see children being harmed on my newsfeed, most of the large providers including Astraweb, Highwinds and Giganews have all complied that sort of speaks for itself.
Thanks for an epic first post. Besides your claim and sfl0w's rants does anyone actually have any proof that Readnews is refusing to comply with any laws that require them to remove harmful content from their servers? Child porn, warez, tv shows, or otherwise?

Thank you for the compliment and forgive the way I worded the last part of my post. The point that I was trying to convey is that a company that hosts a usenet feed also hosts content in the binary groups and along with that content comes a certain level of corporate responsibility if you will with regard to providing access to groups that knowingly only exist to spread child pornography specifically. The reality is that today many NSPs have taken responsibility for those groups and removed them and have also become members of the Internet Watch Foundation(UK Based) whose sole existence is to prohibit and stop the spread of Child pornography. I would not attack any provider who is not a member of the IWF or who does not make any effort to filter this content, although I personally don't think this move is a responsible action and I would not choose to use them.

Also please do not drag me into this issue you guys have with Highwinds NSPs, but you aught to be aware that Giganews contributes at least 20X more to the IWF than does Highwinds. Most NSPs today filter groups based on the IWF's continually updated newsgroup list as an accepted best pratice.

Link showing members and contributions: »www.iwf.org.uk/members

While filtering known CP groups may not prevent the crimes from happening I do think that it is a responsible stop gap measure to help to prevent access to materials that may encourage would be sexual predators to actually go and commit a crime against a child.

newster

join:2011-09-26
reply to DrWhovian

said by DrWhovian:


Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they had years ago

Which of Highwinds "issues they had years ago" are you referring to? You could also say that Astraweb's annual completion holes are a thing of the past, and while that would be true, that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

Highwinds gets a bad rap because of issues they have RIGHT NOW, like downloads not completing.

said by DrWhovian:


The reality is that today many NSPs have taken responsibility for those groups and removed them

And this somehow prevents the child abusers from simply posting to other groups? Or worse yet, driving it underground to Freenet and Tor, where people are anonymous and virtually untraceable? It's rumored that those anonymous networks are full of child porn, yet the legal authorities are powerless to do much about it.

There is another side to this issue, that the newsgroups serve as a convenient honeypot, a baited trap that legal authorities can easily exploit to their advantage.

»nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06···igation/

said by DrWhovian:

Most NSPs today filter groups based on the IWF's continually updated newsgroup list as an accepted best pratice.

Highwinds is nowhere "clean" by any means. A quick check through its group list shows that Highwinds has a lot of group names with flagrantly suggestive titles (and probably far more using CP codewords) but none of those groups are carried on Giganews. Could it be that Giganews gets a more complete list of groups to censor because it donates a lot more money to the IWF consecration machine than Highwinds does?