Security cameras, networking, DVRs

Author	All Replies
EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	Security cameras, networking, DVRs I'm looking at installing outdoor wireless IP cameras with motion detection and email alerts that send images and alerts when motion is detected. I see cameras advertised that can do this, but how do these cameras connect to a security DVR? (see »www.amazon.com/Agasio-Waterproof···054VXG6A ) I've been looking for some technical information on such systems, but the technical detail is horribly lacking. Everything I can find is sales-y crap, and online manuals are practically non-existent. Also any experiences, tips, brand/model recommendations are welcome Thanks, EG
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-17 20:09:50 ·
fluffybunny @teksavvy.com	modern IP cameras have SD cards and can easily record on board. no point wasting the space on a DVR etc. just monitor with a browser and record on board. try the trendnet ip522p and ip512p with 32GB SD cards. work great with single poe cable.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-17 20:50:32 ·
EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	Thanks for the reply I'm interested in having the media remote from the camera in case someone gets to the camera itself. Also, a couple of the locations are on a different power company distribution transformer, so the signal may not be adequate. Also, I need IR capability for night viewing and motion detection at a range of 30 feet or more.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-17 23:38:11 ·
fluffybunny @teksavvy.com	you can program em to FTP the results out to a remote server. and the signal will be fine for any POE camera. as long as they have the POE cable plugged into them no interference will affect them.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 06:03:24 ·

cableties Premium join:2005-01-27	reply to EGeezer You might look at this page (www.pelco.com)..I know, sales-y crap but they have lots of white papers on their site... and read their information on IP cameras and DVRs. We install their products (PoE IPCams...) and setup for life safety systems... POE is Power over Ethernet so you can run just a Cat5e cable to the camera. As an IP camera, the DVR software gets the IP of the camera and done. Plus there are apps for Droid/iOS so you cam monitor the camera's by your phone or tablet (IP Cam Viewer Pro...). You should have a central DVR to record all cameras, and have way to back up (remotely) the data. -- Splat
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 07:50:32 ·
fluffybunny @teksavvy.com	central DVR is the old way of doing it. what happens if someone gets to the central DVR ? your recording is now gone. the new model of having every camera do its own recording and upload as required is more robust.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 13:04:05 ·
techguy2012 join:2012-05-17 Mundelein, IL	reply to EGeezer I use Vitamin D Video as the DVR, and Axis IP cameras - some of which support motion detection recording to a local SD card, but in my experience the camera is always what gets stolen/vandalized - not the DVR computer which should be locked away in a non-obvious cabinet.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 16:14:54 ·
Nick_L Premium join:2003-01-22 Pittsburgh, PA	reply to fluffybunny Um, no.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 16:24:06 ·
comp Premium join:2001-08-16 Cranberry Twp, PA Reviews: ·Armstrong Zoom ..	reply to fluffybunny said by fluffybunny : central DVR is the old way of doing it. what happens if someone gets to the central DVR ? your recording is now gone. the new model of having every camera do its own recording and upload as required is more robust. I dont know what new model you are talking about That was maybe a pipe dream a couple of years ago and no one is going back to it. industry standard is still and staying to have a centralized DVR/NVR and maybe some off site back up
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-18 17:11:22 ·
Daarken Rara Avises Premium join:2005-01-12 Southwest LA kudos:3	I concure. If you are worried about DVR theft, which honestly is very rare, and if there is a potential, then installing the DVR into a DVR security box is always an option. Having the backup video stored on the camera is the CHEAPEST way to do a camera system only. I have also owned a few trendnet products in the past, and to be honest its cheap chinese junk that doesn't last. Quality cameras have a real warranty, (3 to 5 years) with a IP66 rated housing, and are mainly designed to send the video back to a central DVR. If you also purchase a quality MP camera, it will also use alot of your bandwidth up, which can be a concern especially if your in a country that allows all the main ISPs to set a low download cap and charge you out of the wazzo for going over it. So as for the OP, I was at a local Sams club last week, that was selling this »www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/produ···on=#desc for $99 -- Getting it Done.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-19 22:12:35 ·
Quiglag God is Love Premium join:2004-09-19 Ontario, CA	reply to EGeezer I use a wireless camera and have it set to send emails on motion detection, and I also use a QNAP NAS to capture video on motion. The QNAP has all kinds of settings that make video monitoring easy. You can set it when to record, what days, when to delete recording, etc. -- Tool Reviews
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-20 02:39:16 ·
cmaengdewd @cox.net	reply to EGeezer said by EGeezer: I'm looking at installing outdoor wireless IP cameras with motion detection and email alerts that send images and alerts when motion is detected. I see cameras advertised that can do this, but how do these cameras connect to a security DVR? (see »www.amazon.com/Agasio-Waterproof···054VXG6A ) I've been looking for some technical information on such systems, but the technical detail is horribly lacking. Everything I can find is sales-y crap, and online manuals are practically non-existent. Also any experiences, tips, brand/model recommendations are welcome Thanks, EG A DVR is used with an analog camera to record video, no network required. An NVR is used to record IP cameras. Unlike analog video you need to ensure that whatever NVR software you use (Vitamin D, zoneminder or more "commercial" apps) specifically supports the model # camera you have. You will have to setup the camera with an IP and the recorder with an IP and then point the recorder to the IP of the camera, wash rinse repeat for multiple cameras. A low tech method is to use FTP as mentioned. Something to point out, the camera you linked to includes software to turn an ordinary PC into a video recorder, just make sure the hard drive is big enough to store how much video you want.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-21 00:21:57 ·
Jan Janowski join:2000-06-18 Skokie, IL	reply to EGeezer You'll probably get Pictures, Groups of Pictures, Full motion video, and Motion detect, but not always at the same time......... See the confusion that I fell into with the unit I bought that seemed to do everything... Until I tried to do everything.. Specs on these devices sound a little like Used Car salesman pitches! »IP Cameras.... (Possibly in wrong forum) I eventually learned the IP address of your system, The camera, and the features you wanted, depend on needing a dedicated computer to get all the features simultaneously.... Yes, I got single pictures, and multiple pictures with a semblance of motion detection..... but no full motion video, or video record on demand if the IP of the camrea was outside my immediate Subnet, and not without a dedicated computer there, too!!! The analogy of a Used Car Salesman is a good one.... -- Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-21 07:24:36 ·
cmaengdewd @cox.net	said by Jan Janowski: You'll probably get Pictures, Groups of Pictures, Full motion video, and Motion detect, but not always at the same time......... See the confusion that I fell into with the unit I bought that seemed to do everything... Until I tried to do everything.. Specs on these devices sound a little like Used Car salesman pitches! »IP Cameras.... (Possibly in wrong forum) I eventually learned the IP address of your system, The camera, and the features you wanted, depend on needing a dedicated computer to get all the features simultaneously.... Yes, I got single pictures, and multiple pictures with a semblance of motion detection..... but no full motion video, or video record on demand if the IP of the camrea was outside my immediate Subnet, and not without a dedicated computer there, too!!! The analogy of a Used Car Salesman is a good one.... My Trendnet allows me to record video triggered by motion detection to my NAS on a different subnet, however it does it by SMB share not FTP. The problem is a limitation of FTP and how they are doing recording in the camera. FTP only works to transfer whole files, in other words the camera has to record the video and then FTP it. With SMB, the file is opened and added to in real time and then recording stops, the file is closed. The problem is the chance of file corruption is higher. I'm not sure what sounded like a used car salesman, it was clear to me from a glance at the manual that it wouldn't ftp video files only images. About the one "surprise" is the instant record feature from the browser client and subnet but I never had a use for that feature as I typically connect the camera to a NAS and record that way.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 05:50:07 ·
Jan Janowski join:2000-06-18 Skokie, IL	reply to EGeezer The Used Car reference is because it said that I could record Motion Detected Full Motion Video, but never said I had to initiate it via a software program running on a local computer..... And could not record it except via the local IP Subnet... They promise everything, but even when to talk to support, they are incredulous that you want to have the camera do it... alone... My plan was to have a UPS, ISP interconnect and internet camera be the only items at this remote construcrtion site... and have the camera schedule pictures, and motion detected video.... and sent it to a remote NAS.... I got pictures working.... But full motion video cannot without increasing the hardware load at the construction site.... (Computer and NAS)... This is something I am un-willing to do... But... Read the outside of the box, and it seems to indicate everything I wanted it to do is possible.... Until I talked to support after a couple weeks of pounding my head against the limitations of the unit... That's the Used Car Sales Pitch.... -- Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 08:23:28 ·
EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	said by Jan Janowski: ... I had to initiate it via a software program running on a local computer..... And could not record it except via the local IP Subnet... I definitely see your "used car pitch" viewpoint. The amount of sample images, videos and technical detail available pre-sales is dreadfully lacking for most brands advertised for direct sale to home/SOHO customers. Finding out after the fact would be to say the least disheartening for me. cableties 's recommendation of Pelco seems to have a great deal of information for me. The stuff I see in big box retailers all seem to be cheaply built Chinese crap. that's why I was looking for brands, models and retailers with good reputations. I do have a possible solution to your live recording issue, though - If you have sufficient bandwidth between the site and the remote PC, couldn't you set up a VPN with DDNS and map the camera to the PC with the NAS as a shared drive?
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 12:35:46 ·
cmaenginsb @cox.net	said by EGeezer: said by Jan Janowski: ... I had to initiate it via a software program running on a local computer..... And could not record it except via the local IP Subnet... I definitely see your "used car pitch" viewpoint. The amount of sample images, videos and technical detail available pre-sales is dreadfully lacking for most brands advertised for direct sale to home/SOHO customers. Finding out after the fact would be to say the least disheartening for me. cableties 's recommendation of Pelco seems to have a great deal of information for me. The stuff I see in big box retailers all seem to be cheaply built Chinese crap. that's why I was looking for brands, models and retailers with good reputations. I do have a possible solution to your live recording issue, though - If you have sufficient bandwidth between the site and the remote PC, couldn't you set up a VPN with DDNS and map the camera to the PC with the NAS as a shared drive? The problem is that most IP CCTV hardware that is affordable to SOHO users is quite simply cheaply built Chinese crap with little in the way of support. Since I'm more familiar with the limitations of FTP and IP cameras I knew what Jan was trying to do wasn't going to work. FTP only works for complete files, a motion recording doesn't become a complete file until recording has stopped. I've never heard of an issue recording only to 1 subnet like that either. I do know I can record to a NAS with my Trendnet using SMb (ie windows file sharing) and it works across subnets. Your challenge is going to be a bit more difficult as most "professional" grade IP cameras do not build outdoor wireless IP cameras, security folks like me don't like wireless since it can be jammed easily. A possible solution for you is to place an Axis M1031-W and find and enclosure for it our use something like a Samsung SNO-1080R and use a UBNT Nanostation Loco for the wireless part.
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 19:14:15 ·
cmaenginsb @cox.net	reply to Jan Janowski said by Jan Janowski: The Used Car reference is because it said that I could record Motion Detected Full Motion Video, but never said I had to initiate it via a software program running on a local computer..... And could not record it except via the local IP Subnet... They promise everything, but even when to talk to support, they are incredulous that you want to have the camera do it... alone... My plan was to have a UPS, ISP interconnect and internet camera be the only items at this remote construcrtion site... and have the camera schedule pictures, and motion detected video.... and sent it to a remote NAS.... I got pictures working.... But full motion video cannot without increasing the hardware load at the construction site.... (Computer and NAS)... This is something I am un-willing to do... But... Read the outside of the box, and it seems to indicate everything I wanted it to do is possible.... Until I talked to support after a couple weeks of pounding my head against the limitations of the unit... That's the Used Car Sales Pitch.... What model Trendnet is it?
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 19:59:00 ·
John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:5	reply to EGeezer This is what I use: »www.amazon.com/Sharx-Security-SC···cnc+3605 Live cam seen here during the day: »oceancam1.dyndns.org/en/mjpgmain.asp It's raining now so it looks blurry, but on nice days the image is much better. I am running 10 FPS to conserve upstream bandwidth, but the cam can do 30 FPS. Many options for configuration... -- »www.archive.org/details/Meatpies_1984
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 22:12:15 ·
EGeezer Go Cats Premium join:2002-08-04 Midwest kudos:8	That looks sweet! How's the IR night vision look? I'm looking for a manual to see the details on how to set it up to record for a period of time when triggered by motion. Looks like I'll have to ask the company for a PDF -
	to forum · permalink · 2012-06-22 23:52:22 ·

Technical > Home Improvement > Security cameras, networking, DVRs