 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to Draiman
Re: Garage addition I don't understand. Most jurisdictions require an engineer to seal all drawings. |
|
|
|
 natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·Earthlink Cable ..
| reply to Draiman
said by Draiman:I'm waiting for a final draft of the drawings but the Structural Engineer turned the foundation into Fort Knox. The original footings were 36" x 12" and the new ones are 96" x 18". It was a single layer of rebar and now it's a double layer of rebar in each wall. This garage is being so over built it's nuts. After it's done the safest place in the house will be the garage. LOL
Wow, that is unreal, an 8' wide footing .... for a residence, a garage at that!
Either the soil you're bearing on is equivalent to landfill material or the engineer is a novice. As the ole saying goes, when in doubt be stout.
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to Draiman
From my reading its an 8 foot deep footing, 18" wide, that will get below the frost line just about anywhere 
Engineered stamped plans is normal, I have always had to submit stamped plans, its to make sure someone whom is a certified professional engineer has reviewed the plans to meet building codes
Now your breaking ground, let the cost over runs begin! |
|
 DraimanLet me see those devil horns in the sky
join:2012-06-01
Kill Devil Hills, NC
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to Draiman
Just got a call from the GC. The foundation was budgeted for $14,000 and the quote the GC got on the new foundation was $35,000. Needless to say he wasn't going to eat the difference and knew I wasn't so he questioned it. The structural engineer misunderstood the job. He thought we were pulling down the existing foundation when all we're doing is added to it. The difference is 27' wide vs. 11' wide. His foundation was slated to hold 27' worth of earth and all it needed to do is hold 11' of earth. The structural engineer is redoing it and will have new drawings stamped by Monday. Another week delay. The GC also said they are going to build the new foundation and fill it before they demo the existing garage just to be safe so it won't be demo'ed for 2-3 weeks. Though I'll lose use of the garage much sooner because they need to dig the footings in front of it since it's being enlarged from 20' to 28' deep. Lucky for me the city doesn't care about the foundation as long as it's stamped so we should be good to go once the engineer gets on the same page. |
|
natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Earthlink Cable ..
| reply to guppy_fish
I doubt the the footing is oriented that way, the elevation of the footing can raised or lowered to whatever depth required to be below the frost line. If the OP is referring to the stem wall that sits on top of the footing then I can buy that.
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to guppy_fish
in this case the engineer had two sets of plans, the unstamped lite version and the stamped ones. |
|
guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 | reply to Draiman
Like everything, you have to shop around and know the details of what your price includes!
Typically I've paid $2-300 for the stamp on house plans, but calling around got prices similar to what the OP got zing-botted |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | but if an engineer presents the plans in the first place, they should not need modification to get stamped. |
|
natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Earthlink Cable ..
| said by AVD:but if an engineer presents the plans in the first place, they should not need modification to get stamped.
+1
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 | reply to AVD
Its an option from my experience ( stamp ) and extra cost as it's never the engineer that makes the plans but a drafts person. A firm may only have one PE, but 10 people doing the plans |
|
natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Earthlink Cable ..
| This is true, but the draftsmen all work under the direction of the PE so the plans are P.E.'s design drawn by the draftsman. Typically, any drawings that leaves an engineers office that doesn't have a seal on them are either (a) preliminary or uncompleted drawings or (b) The client used the company as a drafting service and not for engineering services.
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | depends on the jurisdiction. I couldn't release a drawing or report in NJ without a seal. In NY I could, but once it had my name and number, it would (have to) be as good as sealed.
--
--Standard disclaimers apply.--
The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law. |
|
guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to natedj
said by natedj:Typically, any drawings that leaves an engineers office that doesn't have a seal on them are either (a) preliminary or uncompleted drawings or (b) The client used the company as a drafting service and not for engineering services.
Which is exactly what the OP did, he had plans drawn up, not stamped. When he went back, they charged to make the drafting service plans official engineered plans
All services I checked out do this, its just a bit over the top what he paid for the stamp, but its very common for actual firms to do this, two tired pricing.
The OP could have take those drafted plans and found his own PE to stamp them, not uncommon at all.
This is just one of many joys of being your own GC |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | n/m |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to guppy_fish
said by guppy_fish:said by natedj:Typically, any drawings that leaves an engineers office that doesn't have a seal on them are either (a) preliminary or uncompleted drawings or (b) The client used the company as a drafting service and not for engineering services.
Which is exactly what the OP did, he had plans drawn up, not stamped. When he went back, they charged to make the drafting service plans official engineered plans sometimes it costs more to fix a mistake.
--
--Standard disclaimers apply.--
The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law. |
|
guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by AVD:sometimes it costs more to fix a mistake.
Oh I understand and completely agree ... like interior walls that zero width on the plans  |
|
natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Earthlink Cable ..
| reply to guppy_fish
I'm a little confused now. Looking back on the PDF the OP posted, there are "A" sheets and "S" sheets signifying architectural and structural sheets, if there were already architectural drawings then why would anyone have structural drawings done and not have them sealed? I guess that the OP thought the city won't require a seal and he choose the cheaper way out, but shame on the engineer that charge that much to stamp a set of drawings that came out of his own office.
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
DraimanLet me see those devil horns in the sky
join:2012-06-01
Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to AVD
said by AVD:I don't understand. Most jurisdictions require an engineer to seal all drawings.
Not required by state code here. A GC license allows them to accept liability on stuff up to a certain point so you don't need stamps. Our GC does this all the time in other cities. Our city trumps the state by requiring stamps. I could go to the state and fight it. I'd win but stuff would be delayed months or even years and I'm sure it would cost more then $1,500. The city building inspector said they require it, "For my protection". |
|
AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | said by Draiman:said by AVD:I don't understand. Most jurisdictions require an engineer to seal all drawings.
Not required by state code here. A GC license allows them to accept liability on stuff up to a certain point so you don't need stamps. Our GC does this all the time in other cities. Our city trumps the state by requiring stamps. I could go to the state and fight it. I'd win but stuff would be delayed months or even years and I'm sure it would cost more then $1,500. The city building inspector said they require it, "For my protection". I meant that "Most jurisdictions require an Engineer to seal all drawings that s/he produces"
--
--Standard disclaimers apply.--
The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law. |
|
natedjElectedPremium
join:2001-06-06
Columbia, SC Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·Earthlink Cable ..
| reply to Draiman
I just notice the ~16' retaining wall at the back, might be the reason for the 8' wide footing, but I still say its overkill. Can you post before pictures of he back of the existing garage.
--
Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements |
|
