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garys_2k
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Re: Garage addition

So, did you sign the agreement with the architect, or did the GC?



Draiman
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For now I'm just going to call it even with the GC. If he'll accept that we'll be done. If he has a problem with that he can start the arbitration process under the law but he knows he'll lose there. He's got no proof that I owe him anything. All written change orders and the original contract amounts have been paid as agreed as of right now. If it went to court legally we're done and paid in full right now yet he forced me to fix code violations for him. I'm 100% sure as is the BI that the state would approve the bond claim. After all the BI already talked to the state about it. If I go that road I'll donate anything I get minus actual material costs to charity. I don't want to benefit but I don't want the GC to think he can screw anyone else this way either.
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It sounds like the contractor took advantage of you in the beginning then slipped up at the end so 2 wrongs make a right in this case.

I'm dumbfounded at how many people defaulted to trying to justify the contractor did their job. They ignored the city inspector and even the IRC code all in an attempt to justify the contractor's work. No wonder why contractor's take advantage of people!



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That's a cheap shot. we are playing devil's advocate. How will the GC counter the OP's arguments?
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If there's nothing in writing it is checkmate for the contractor. General Custer is calling.



AVD
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There is stuff in writing.


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said by AVD:

There is stuff in writing.

said by Draiman:

All written change orders and the original contract amounts have been paid as agreed as of right now.

Unless I'm blind that says there's nothing in writing the contractor can use in a negative way. What do you suggest would be used in the contractor's defense in writing? I'm playing devil's advocate of course!


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if everything is paid, what being retained?


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said by AVD:

if everything is paid, what being retained?

Exactly! The debt is vaporware without proof. This is a great lesson why you never make verbal agreements in business. ALWAYS put it in writing.

Massachusetts is a 2 way recording state so even if the contractor recorded the verbal approval he did so illegally.

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Of course that's based on the assumption of the OP's statement that the debt owed is verbal only since all written debts have been settled. If the debt can be proven then it all falls back to IRC which should always fall into the contractor's plate. You can't sell a contract to build a garage then not deliver it because you don't want to do it to code correctly so the city won't allow the customer to use it. The contractor defaulted on the contract period. They sold a garage and didn't deliver it as promised. They delivered an incomplete project and should get paid accordingly.


Critsmcgee

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On what planet can a contractor bid a job which requires a permit then refuse to do the required work as required by the permit through completion and expect to be paid in full for an incomplete job?



John Galt
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said by Critsmcgee:

On what planet can a contractor bid a job which requires a permit then refuse to do the required work as required by the permit through completion and expect to be paid in full for an incomplete job?

And yet the inspector signed off on it...


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said by John Galt:

And yet the inspector signed off on it...

So much for the inspector gods (AHJ) that so many on here worship blindly. The chance of getting a good competent one is no better than getting a bad unqualified one. Flip a coin and hope.

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said by John Galt:

said by Critsmcgee:

On what planet can a contractor bid a job which requires a permit then refuse to do the required work as required by the permit through completion and expect to be paid in full for an incomplete job?

And yet the inspector signed off on it...

After the home owner installed a handrail and built a guard. I'd put a claim together against the contractor for that and forget the verbal debt all together. The contractor refused to correct the violations which forced the home owner into fixing the contractor's mistakes. That deserves compensation and has plenty of proof to back it up.


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*removed*

Expand your moderator at work


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Re: Garage addition

Thanks for all the input. I know how I want to handle it based on all the replies. I'm glad I brought it up and also glad I've handled it so we can put that sidebar discussion to bed and get back to finishing the garage. We have another 8-10 months of thread to go before the project will be completely done.

Tomorrow I have the day off and I should make some good progress on the garage. The designer will be stopping by so that should be a good chat as well.

Here's a question on framing a non-load bearing wall. It looks like I don't need a double header with jack studs. Is that correct? There's plenty of room for a double header but I'd like to skip jack studs to get that extra 3" if possible. The opening will be for a knee wall door.


Critsmcgee

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You are correct. You don't need a double header or jack studs but personally I'd do it anyways.



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This week-ends work: strapping & knee wall door framing. I also made the handrail wall returns but I didn't take any pictures of those.


Draiman
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Update: All ties have been cut with the GC as of today. He's agreed to just part ways and be done with it. He said he knows the code but it was a misunderstanding on his part between him, me, and the building inspector. I didn't want to get into it so I agreed to just part ways mutually and call it a day.

The architect stopped by Friday. He was floored by the code issues the GC left. He said he will NEVER do another job for the GC again. He's ashamed his name is associated with the GC's given the outcome of this project. He admitted he removed the guard diagram at the GC's request and apologized that he didn't let me know.
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Draiman
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Someone asked via IM's on the specs on the knee wall door. It will be about 27 1/2" by 36".



Draiman
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I started to move my tools and workbench into the garage over the week-end. I also got a few rolls of insulation installed.



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Put Christmas lights and post a picture.



Draiman
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said by AVD:

Put Christmas lights and post a picture.

The garage took all our time, energy, and money already so no lights this year.


Draiman
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I have a ton of left over lumber and lots of insulation though so inside work can continue.



Draiman
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What's the best way to insulate the stairs? Should I install a riser then fill it with loose insulation then cap it off with the tread or should I do a faced batt towards the riser then another faced batt towards the tread?
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Draiman
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The only feedback I've gotten was from a co-worker on this who sides with loose fill so I guess I'm heading that direction.


Critsmcgee

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I'd do loose fill but I'd add a 6mil vapor barrier onto the stinger riser area for the first riser then install the riser. Next I'd fill the cavity with loose fill then cover the stinger tread area and install a tread. I'd do that starting at the bottom all the way up to the top. Then you'll have as much insulation as possible plus a vapor barrier.



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Why do you want to insulate the stairs?
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Critsmcgee

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said by Cho Baka:

Why do you want to insulate the stairs?

Did you look at the pictures? It's unconditioned under the stairs and they plan to condition above the stairs. You insulate and vapor barrier between that space. The only time you don't insulate anything is if it's conditioned on both sides.