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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to Draiman Re: Garage addition reinforced concrete, but it costs a lot more.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to natedj said by natedj: I don't know what kind of loads he used but the first design was clearly for a cantilever retaining wall with maximum retaining. In this case, the top of wall will essentially be tied to the slab in the garage, making it a basement type retaining wall. Either way you look at it, it was grossly over design. It would be good to know what kind of footing has been holding up the existing garage for the past 50+ years. Yea I'd like to know the existing foundation as well. There's no visible cracks or damage on the foundation on the side or back which the bulk of the foundation. It's block construction. Not sure if block or pouring concrete is better.
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natedj Elected Premium join:2001-06-06 Columbia, SC Reviews: ·AT&T U-Verse ·Earthlink Cable ..	reply to Draiman I don't know what kind of loads he used but the first design was clearly for a cantilever retaining wall with maximum retaining. In this case, the top of wall will essentially be tied to the slab in the garage, making it a basement type retaining wall. Either way you look at it, it was grossly over design. It would be good to know what kind of footing has been holding up the existing garage for the past 50+ years. -- Good judgement comes with experience...Experience comes after bad judgements
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to garys_2k said by garys_2k: No doubt in this PE's mind, that guy messed up. He really should wear greasepaint and a big red, rubber nose to the office -- it fits. there has to be more to this story. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to Draiman said by Draiman: I wish the 96" x 18" footings were made up. I didn't even mention the #4 AND #6 rebar in the walls. I didn't mention a 1' x 1' key on the footing either. I also didn't mention the drainage on both sides of the wall below grade plus drainage above grade. The original plan was insane! yeah, your footing was designed as a retaining wall with a house on top. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Draiman I wish the 96" x 18" footings were made up. I didn't even mention the #4 AND #6 rebar in the walls. I didn't mention a 1' x 1' key on the footing either. I also didn't mention the drainage on both sides of the wall below grade plus drainage above grade. The original plan was insane!
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garys_2k Premium join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI Reviews: ·callwithus ·Callcentric	reply to AVD said by AVD: said by garys_2k: After this is all done I'd definitely file a formal complaint with the Engineering Board. They need to get that clown in line with professional standards and practices. Standard Disclaimers Apply: @garys_@k We are hearing one side of a story (the GC's) as interpreted through a layman (the OP). You shouldn't be calling any licensed practitioner "a clown" unless you know ALL the facts. So, let's not post anything until we hear from all parties? We just have to assume, since this discussion is about a haloed Professional Engineer than we withold all comments on the assumption that the GC is giving us one side of the story (yeah, like he made up the need for a 96" foundation FOR A FREAKIN' GARAGE) interpreted through a lowly layman. No doubt in this PE's mind, that guy messed up. He really should wear greasepaint and a big red, rubber nose to the office -- it fits.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS 1 edit	reply to Draiman This is a daytime drama show. The GC called and said he had a long talk to the last engineer. I guess the GC uses him a lot so there's lots of business between them. He started with 96" x 18" footings. He reduced them to 72" x 18" footings on the second rev. He's doing a third rev after talking to a few of his peers. He is comfortable adding a few feet of extra fill on the low side so he can change it from a retaining wall to a standard foundation wall. We should get rev3 by round Wednesday and that should come in at a reasonable price. The ballpark guess right now is $13,000-17,000 which I guess is better then $35,000. That engineer offered to refund the $1,500 as well so he'd be doing the job free if that helps any. If he can do the job correctly I have no issues paying him though.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to AVD said by AVD: said by Draiman: The new engineer sees no reason why this foundation shouldn't be $12,000-15,000 even with bad soil. I won't hold my breath until we have stamped drawings Is this total, or over the original estimate, that should have included the cost per the original foundation and earthwork. That's the entire foundation. Last engineer $35,000 and new engineer $15,000. We have $14,000 budgeted for the foundation in the project. Going $1,000 over budget isn't terrible if it goes up to $15,000 but the first guy put us $21,000 over and that was insane!
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to Draiman said by Draiman: I've contacted the state PE society today and they said they'd be happy to investigate it if we can't work it out. One thing you have to remember, the State Society represents the Engineer. The State Board represents the government. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to Draiman said by Draiman: GC just called. The new engineer is making a site visit this week-end but based on the drawings he said "WTF!". The GC hasn't gotten the insurance info from the last engineer so we suspect he lied about having it. We have a copy of the current engineers E&O policy good said by Draiman: and this new engineer provided some drawings from another site where they did the same thing only with a 12' drop where ours is only 9.6' so we know the costs on the 12' other foundation. That really did have poor soil and even then it was $20,000. Every foundation design is site specific. You cannot cookie cutter one design and fit it everywhere. said by Draiman: The new engineer sees no reason why this foundation shouldn't be $12,000-15,000 even with bad soil. I won't hold my breath until we have stamped drawings Is this total, or over the original estimate, that should have included the cost per the original foundation and earthwork. said by Draiman: but it sounds like we'll be moving again in another week. EXCELLENT -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to garys_2k said by garys_2k: After this is all done I'd definitely file a formal complaint with the Engineering Board. They need to get that clown in line with professional standards and practices. Standard Disclaimers Apply: @garys_@k We are hearing one side of a story (the GC's) as interpreted through a layman (the OP). You shouldn't be calling any licensed practitioner "a clown" unless you know ALL the facts. @ Draiman N/M I'm going to have to go line by line with your last post. -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law.
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garys_2k Premium join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI	reply to Draiman After this is all done I'd definitely file a formal complaint with the Engineering Board. They need to get that clown in line with professional standards and practices.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Draiman GC just called. The new engineer is making a site visit this week-end but based on the drawings he said "WTF!". The GC hasn't gotten the insurance info from the last engineer so we suspect he lied about having it. We have a copy of the current engineers E&O policy and this new engineer provided some drawings from another site where they did the same thing only with a 12' drop where ours is only 9.6' so we know the costs on the 12' other foundation. That really did have poor soil and even then it was $20,000. The new engineer sees no reason why this foundation shouldn't be $12,000-15,000 even with bad soil. I won't hold my breath until we have stamped drawings but it sounds like we'll be moving again in another week.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS 1 edit	reply to garys_2k said by garys_2k: said by guppy_fish: If the PE doesn't have soil report, as its was not provided by the client, his options are limited, his license is on the line as is his liability insurance, not a clients budget concerns. I'm still not seeing where the PE is at fault here ... Sure, assuming the building is going to be floating on quicksand is fine, right. A PE's job is to design a safe, compliant foundation that also happens to meet the job requirements. Overbuilding a ridiculous foundation because he was too lazy to investigate, or even ask about, soil conditions is a display of incompetence. I'm with Xcal here (and I'm a PE): That guy screwed up and his work OUGHT to be ridiculed. It's well deserved. What burns me is he knew he overbuilt it to crazy specs but had the balls to ask for $1,500 to stamp it. At that point a monkey could have stamped the drawings. The next thing will be getting my money back for the stamps unless he does the job correctly. I've contacted the state PE society today and they said they'd be happy to investigate it if we can't work it out.
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garys_2k Premium join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI Reviews: ·callwithus ·Callcentric	reply to guppy_fish said by guppy_fish: If the PE doesn't have soil report, as its was not provided by the client, his options are limited, his license is on the line as is his liability insurance, not a clients budget concerns. I'm still not seeing where the PE is at fault here ... Sure, assuming the building is going to be floating on quicksand is fine, right. A PE's job is to design a safe, compliant foundation that also happens to meet the job requirements. Overbuilding a ridiculous foundation because he was too lazy to investigate, or even ask about, soil conditions is a display of incompetence. I'm with Xcal here (and I'm a PE): That guy screwed up and his work OUGHT to be ridiculed. It's well deserved.
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Draiman The Geotechnical engineer just called back. He consulted a friend who's a structural engineer who laughed at the foundation. This structural engineer wants to take the job and design it correctly. I told him we have another structural engineer working on it now but I'd talk to the GC to see if the new engineer has done anything and if it's possible to switch to this other engineer. I guess an 8' wide footing for an 11' wide foundation is pretty funny. This joke is spreading like wide fire!
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to guppy_fish said by guppy_fish: If the PE doesn't have soil report, as its was not provided by the client, his options are limited, his license is on the line as is his liability insurance, not a clients budget concerns. I'm still not seeing where the PE is at fault here ... Thanks for the input but you've gone so far off track and your not helping at all. Feel free to review the thread for info but your input is no longer wanted. I'm sorry about that.
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guppy_fish Premium join:2003-12-09 Lakeland, FL kudos:1 1 edit	reply to Draiman OK, best wishes
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Draiman Let me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	reply to Draiman I just talked to a Geotechnical engineer about getting soil bore testing. It will run $2,500-2,700 for a soil bore test with report. This engineer almost begged me to send him the drawings to review after hearing 96" x 18" footings. He said 36" x 12" is actually on the high side for a foundation. Another person who's getting a laugh at the "Hoover dam"!
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