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Scilicet
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Re: Best grapic card for World of Warcraft

I'll be sure to let you know how well these SSD's improve things.

BTW look what I found:

»www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/14···tem.html


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said by Immer:

/envy

Well, there is a good reason why Crucial sells their M4 512GB SSD so cheaply. I bought it for $400 vs. the Samsung model that goes for $700. The Crucial device is a piece of crap. Wasted an entire day on it. I used Windows 7 Disk Management, TRIM, and I even bought the Paragon Migrate OS from HDD to SSD program for $20. Nothing that I could do could get this piece of crap bootable. What a disappointment. I would recommend avoiding Crucial products and their Support people suck as well.


Goldheart

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said by Scilicet:

said by Immer:

/envy

Well, there is a good reason why Crucial sells their M4 512GB SSD so cheaply. I bought it for $400 vs. the Samsung model that goes for $700. The Crucial device is a piece of crap. Wasted an entire day on it. I used Windows 7 Disk Management, TRIM, and I even bought the Paragon Migrate OS from HDD to SSD program for $20. Nothing that I could do could get this piece of crap bootable. What a disappointment. I would recommend avoiding Crucial products and their Support people suck as well.

Did you physically connect it to the primary SATA port on your motherboard? There are limitations as to which drive and port you can boot from.

Swap cables with your primary boot drive and check the boot order in the BIOS.


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Is your PC not seeing the new drive? Sorry to hear it hasn't gone smoothly for you. I've only used 2 SSDs, OCZ and Crucial and they both behaved just like a regular drive for me. I did fresh OS installs on them never attempted to transfer an existing install. Have you checked to see if you have the latest firmware on the drive?


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Yes, I tried all that. The first warning that something was not right was when I first brought up the machine with the new SSD. The system failed to give that "New Hardware Found" message. Disk Management could assign a logical id and name to the drive, but it would just vanish again after a while. TRIM could see the drive, the BIOS could see the drive, I could read and write to it as long as it was in the device list, but the system couldn't find it at boot time. No, I have a bad unit. Couldn't verify that I had the right firmware either and Crucial tech support was useless. So, it goes back via UPS Monday for a swap out.


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said by Scilicet:

Yes, I tried all that. The first warning that something was not right was when I first brought up the machine with the new SSD. The system failed to give that "New Hardware Found" message. Disk Management could assign a logical id and name to the drive, but it would just vanish again after a while. TRIM could see the drive, the BIOS could see the drive, I could read and write to it as long as it was in the device list, but the system couldn't find it at boot time. No, I have a bad unit. Couldn't verify that I had the right firmware either and Crucial tech support was useless. So, it goes back via UPS Monday for a swap out.

You might need a BIOS update if your motherboard is older. Some can't handle larger drives.


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The Mobo is only a year old (MSI 785GM-P45) and has the latest BIOS update. Besides, I have a 1TB drive that works fine. I sent all the logs to Paragon Software and I'll let them figure it out. I am still convinced that the firmware is bad and a few reviews on Amazon claim similar problems, although most people have no problems. I just got a lemon, I think. After all, it was made in China; who knows how it was tested - if at all. I have worked my time on the production floor and sometimes you send out known bad devices just to make your quota figuring by the time Field Service or in this case Customer Service gets hold of it you will have a new batch of devices ready to replace the bad.


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I just had one of these mobos blow out on me due to a (suspected) bad PSU. It took out one of the HDDs and ram as well. Had to rebuild everything.

I am not a fan of the el cheapo motherboards that are under $90 or so. I also would never trust the MSI 785GM-P45 again.

Here's my horror story with the board which I admittedly tackled on behalf of a non-technical friend: »Troubleshooting a PSU
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said by Krisnatharok:

I just had one... blow... me due to a (suspected) bad... ram...

You said it, not me.


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your mind went there
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Sorry to hear Scilicet.

My SSD's have been plug'nplay however because of the performance gains they provide, I've always used them as the master with the OS installed on it.

Making it your slave will still show benefits, but not as much as if you had OS + WoW on the same SSD.


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PLUS SLI Voodoo 3's. Overclocked of course for WoW's demands.


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I also would never trust the MSI 785GM-P45 again.

Out of curiosity, the MSI 785GM-P45 is capable of overclocking in increments of 5% up to 20% simply by setting a few switches. Did your friend overclock his board without replacing the stock CPU heatsink with a heat pipe? If that's the case, then the processor would surely burn out.


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Nope, the overclock switches were left alone.

Mystic95Z

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My Crucial M4 SSD (128GB) runs great in my desktop no problems, I have it as the main boot drive and have two regular sata HD's as well set up in raid 0, and all running OSX on a i52500k (overclocked to 4GHZ), Gigabyte Z68 board. The SSD has been the single biggest performance boost yet, D3 & WoW load really quick.


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I couldn't get my Crucial M4 to work as the boot drive. I used Paragon Migrate HDD to OS. A piss poor program that screwed things up more that anything. What did you use to migrate your OS to the SSD?


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said by Krisnatharok:

I also would never trust the MSI 785GM-P45 again.

I am beginning to think that you are absolutely right. It's this cheap F'n board.


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said by Scilicet:

cheap F'n board.

lol exactly my opinion on it as well.

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said by Scilicet:

I couldn't get my Crucial M4 to work as the boot drive. I used Paragon Migrate HDD to OS. A piss poor program that screwed things up more that anything. What did you use to migrate your OS to the SSD?

I didn't migrate was a fresh install.


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said by Mystic95Z:

I didn't migrate was a fresh install.

Sorry, I didn't get that. Could you please clarify that comment?


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Ya know, it worked well for normal stuff, but... It seems to be severely limited as I push it towards gaming maximums and overclocking. I updated all the drivers and the BIOS. Nevertheless, I need a new Mobo. I hate Intel. Just won't go with them. It's a long story as I hated designing around them back in the days of the 8080 and that has stuck with me. I prefer AMD. I can salvage the I/O boards, the Phenom II x6, the heat pipe, power supply, case, etc. What a pain in the arse this has become.


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reply to Scilicet
said by Scilicet:

said by Mystic95Z:

I didn't migrate was a fresh install.

Sorry, I didn't get that. Could you please clarify that comment?

A fresh install means installing the OS on a freshly formatted hard drive. Not by copying another drive.


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Gotcha! I may wind up doing just that. Meanwhile, thinkin' about this: »www.microcenter.com/single_produ···=0375391

What do you think?


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reply to arson_fire
I am currently playing on a rig with one of those overpriced Nvidia branded GTX 560ti's from Best Buy. Works well. Said rig has an AMD 920 X4 and 6gb of DDR2 ram. 1680x1050 res.


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If you care about the benchmarks and stuff, I have a thread going on over at »NVIDIA GPU 640 vs 550/560
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Scilicet
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said by Krisnatharok:

said by Scilicet:

cheap F'n board.

lol exactly my opinion on it as well.

Cheap is being kind. No problems with the new board. An unbelievable improvement. No freeze ups with the GeForce 450 now. Graphics are much better.

BTW there is a driver update for most GeForce boards: version 301.42 as per the older version - »us.battle.net/support/en/article···tedvideo.


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I tried the 301 driver not long ago and it was problematic.


Scilicet
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How so?


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it caused system locks

see the thread in the gaming tech forum
kris also had similer issues with a game.
»[BF3] EVGA card freezing? possible fix


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I have only been running v301 on the GTX 450 for a few days. No problems yet. I appreciate the link to the fix.