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PX Eliezer
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Re: [VOIPo.COM] VOIPo changing their business model?

said by IanR:

....it's strange to see a special offer to existing customers to renew (w/o the cost of a new piece of hardware from Voipo) and find it is more than the new customer 2 year offer I just recd yesterday on my 2nd line....

Not at all.

As an existing customer, you are a hooked fish.

New customers need more incentive to switch.

It's not about mere hardware cost, but rather about the total costs of acquiring new customers.

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And why do you think that your girlfriend may not be quite so spiffy about her appearance after you get hooked into marriage?


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reply to PX Eliezer

said by PX Eliezer:

By contrast, companies like Voip.MS, CallCentric, Anveo, CallWithUs, FlowRoute, etc. truly are geared towards more technical users, and are 100 percent BYOD and always have been.

But all of these are PAYG companies. So, for a residential or small business customer where the call volume justifies unlimited plan VOIPo and PP are as technical as it gets...

I guess, it's worth a discussion what features the "more technical users" want from residential (that is, single or dual user) account where PBX would be an overkill. Some of these features could be supplied by VSP, while others by advanced endpoints, like OBi202 or IP phone.

And obviously, all geeky features are irrelevant if voice quality sucks. I have a Polycom Lync phone that is connected to my company Lync servers, and it works marvelously.

PX Eliezer
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said by ymhee_bcex:

said by PX Eliezer:

By contrast, companies like Voip.MS, CallCentric, Anveo, CallWithUs, FlowRoute, etc. truly are geared towards more technical users, and are 100 percent BYOD and always have been.

But all of these are PAYG companies. So, for a residential or small business customer where the call volume justifies unlimited plan VOIPo and PP are as technical as it gets...

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

But these are not all strictly PAYG companies, some have options.

For example, CallCentric has flat-rate options for both Inbound and Outbound calling. And the customer might choose PAYG one-way and a flat-rate plan the other way, based on their needs.

»www.callcentric.com/products/

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At my small business, I use:

North America 500 outbound (6.95 including 911 cost; option for 1000 minutes also available).

Office Unlimited inbound (8.95 including 3 channels of true unlimited inbound calls)

So for $ 15.90, I have good Business phone service, which for [Business] use is a very good price especially for the features and reliability.

And I can use my own IP phones with it....

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I certainly agree that the new plans and features coming along from Voipo will be eagerly anticipated.

IanR

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reply to PX Eliezer
Hmmm.
I have problems with companies which regard existing customers as "hooked fish". There is a certain lack of respect for loyal customers. It's a downward slope once that attitude is shown... I hope this isn't what is happening here.

I left Packet8 when they upped pricing 40% on me. After many discussions I gave them 4 months to come up with a better deal and when they didn't I left. They then called me up and offered me the world to stay. I told them tooooo late.

I left Cablevision when they upped pricing 30% on me and I gave them 4 months to offer a better deal. When they didn't I left and went with Verizon FIOS. Cablevision then sent someone from their management to my door and personally offered to beat ANY Verizon deal by $20.00 p.m. and pay my penalties to get out of the new Verizon contract. I refused saying they had had their chance and I wouldn't break my new contract.

Verizon FIOS are now upping their fees on my TriplePlay by $40.00 p.m. so I am moving away from their Digital Voice etc.

There's a theme here which is.. Treat your existing customers with respect and they will stay loyal long term.


PX Eliezer
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said by IanR:

Hmmm.
I have problems with companies which regard existing customers as "hooked fish". There is a certain lack of respect for loyal customers. It's a downward slope once that attitude is shown... I hope this isn't what is happening here.

You are looking at that in a negative sense, which was not my intent at all.

It can be a very positive thing.

A beautiful woman (Dana Lje) said to an average looking man (Robin Weinbaum) the words "You are now a hooked fish" when her extensive plan to marry him succeeded. He was happy. This was in James Blish's 1954 short story "Beep".

said by IanR:

Hmmm.
There's a theme here which is.. Treat your existing customers with respect and they will stay loyal long term.

I think that providing a modest incentive to [new] customers is still consistent with respecting existing customers.

It's a fact of life; we're all adults here.

Now, you might say that this conflicts with an Aesop fable:
»www.heritage-history.com/www/her···goatherd

However, THAT situation was different. The goatherd starved the existing goats. Voipo is not starving anyone.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
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I am not being anti just speaking my mind as I have seen many a company ruin their customer base needlessly. Netflix is another example. I also have 2 lines now as another added Friday and I like the new features coming soon etc. Voip success is all about keeping your costs down, providing a good stable service and being "competitive" in pricing as it is so easy for customers to migrate. P8 was an interesting case they too decided they were no longer in the low end pricing for consumers, but their successsful strategy was to move 100% of their business thrust into small/medium sized companies and being an approved provider to Gvt departments. This strategy is paying off for them. It's much more difficult to begin a strategy of somewhat higher pricing and staying in the same marketing sector.
I want Voipo to continue to be succesful and I appreciate Tim's presence here and straightforwardness.


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said by IanR:

I want Voipo to continue to be successful and I appreciate Tim's presence here and straightforwardness.

I think we're all in agreement on that.

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said by IanR:

I left Packet8 when they upped pricing 40% on me.
...
I left Cablevision when they upped pricing 30% on me and I gave them 4 months to offer a better deal. When they didn't I left and went with Verizon FIOS.
...
Verizon FIOS are now upping their fees on my TriplePlay by $40.00 p.m. so I am moving away from their Digital Voice etc.

There's a theme here which is..

... Companies do treat their existing customers as hooked fish.

Don't get me wrong - I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment. Companies should treat the existing customer base with respect. However, the fact is that companies continue to be successful while doing the exact opposite.

To avoid any unintended interpretation - the above is not a comment on VOIPo. I am really glad to see that more VOIP companies are moving towards SMS (in+out) capable DIDs!

Cheers,
-m


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Yeah, I too was a little disappointed that I couldn't pull the trigger on the renewal promotion this time around. I had done it twice before and would have absolutely done it again, but I was just not able to pull it off. I just knew that the good times would need to end at some point - at least I'm paid up to 2015!
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IanR

join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ

To be honest I personally doubt that Voipo will be able to completely make the transition away from this 2 year advance payment model....

On another point I am wondering how their new SMS feature will work on a house phne or is it intended for use on cell phones?


screenname

join:2004-08-12
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reply to VOIPoTim

said by VOIPoTim:

I enjoy hearing from customers and seeing how shocked they are when the owner responds, ....

Are you the owner or the CEO of VOIPo? I thought VOIPo belongs to HostGato.

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said by screenname:

Are you the owner or the CEO of VOIPo? I thought VOIPo belongs to HostGato.

HostGator.

But I like "HostGato". Maybe I'll start a kennel for cats.

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VOIPo does not belong to HostGator, but is affiliated.

Sort of like the US relationship to the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

screenname

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Sorry for the typo.
Thank you for the info. Another reason I don't want to extend my prepaid to 2016.


PX Eliezer
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I apologize, it was just too good to resist.

Here is what VOIPoTim (didn't know he was Irish) said in the past about the relationship between the two companies:

»Re: VOIPo Devices Losing Registration - Some Insight


VOIPoTim
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said by screenname See Profile
Are you the owner or the CEO of VOIPo? I thought VOIPo belongs to HostGato.

Yes, I'm both the CEO and an owner.

I founded VOIPo, run it, and jointly own it with a passive investor (he is the founder of HostGator).

I'm a former HostGator executive (stepped away when VOIPo took off) and my silent partner is the founder of HostGator.

We have a great relationship between our companies and have leveraged that relationship to work together in many ways and take advantage of the HostGator brand recognition. HostGator is a large VOIPo customer as we not only provide all of their phone service for their call centers and offices, but we also have a partnership to provide free toll-free numbers to all of their customers on one of their higher end hosting plans.

Bottom line...while we have a great relationship and do a lot of business with each other, VOIPo is NOT owned by HostGator and there is no financial connection at all between the two companies. We just like each other a lot.


IanR

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Tim,

Re the SMS feature you are planning...
"2) SMS Text Messaging - Send and receive text messages on your VOIPo phone number. (available in 99% of our coverage area)"

How will this work? Will it be for use ONLY on the software one will soon be runing on a cellphone? Could you elaborate on this feature. I can't see it working over the usual Voipo home phone. Thanks.


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said by IanR:

Tim,

Re the SMS feature you are planning...
"2) SMS Text Messaging - Send and receive text messages on your VOIPo phone number. (available in 99% of our coverage area)"

How will this work? Will it be for use ONLY on the software one will soon be runing on a cellphone? Could you elaborate on this feature. I can't see it working over the usual Voipo home phone. Thanks.

You're able to send and receive messages within the control panel (like an instant message conversation in a way). You're also able to have the incoming messages forwarded on to another number via SMS or e-mailed.

So as an example, let's say someone ports in a cell phone number and activates the SMS feature. They could continue to receive text messages on it. Those messages would show up in the control panel or they could redirect them to another cell phone.

The screenshot on »forums.voipo.com/showthread.php/···-in-July... gives kind of a demo of a conversation flow.

druber

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"A beautiful woman (Dana Lje) said to an average looking man (Robin Weinbaum) the words "You are now a hooked fish" when her extensive plan to marry him succeeded. He was happy. This was in James Blish's 1954 short story "Beep"."

Great story.


IanR

join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ

reply to VOIPoTim
Hmm that sounds ineresting. Gotta get my head around the possibilities... What about interantional SMS?

By the way I mentioned I ordered a full 2nd line Friday and late that day I sent the porting docs to Voipo.
Lunchtime today my hardware arrived and I plugged it all in and waited 10 minutes. To my shock it makes calls out identifying itself as my home phone number i.e. the number I am porting from verizon DV (doesn't yet receive inward calls). All I can say is WOW that was quick!:)


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