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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:03:58 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Mele20:

....A main reason I have never gotten a laptop has been that those are not only widescreen but highly reflective screens...UGH. I don't watch movies on a computer so I care more about vertical space than horizontal and for the same reason I don't want a reflective screen either.

EXACTLY, and that's how the screen makers screwed the public, all for the sake of only a few bucks saved at THEIR end by giving us about 15% less pixels for a stated diagonal screen size.

IF we wish to watch movies, then LET US CHOOSE to buy a screen suitable for that, such as a TV or monitor with a VGA and/or HDMI jack on it.

said by Mele20:

I hope those you have not opened and tried are ok. This one that has been so great (and was sure not a cheap monitor) came DOA along with a new computer back in 2003....

All of mine are of the simpler (and less expensive) design with only VGA inputs, and I have seen at least one of them work OK (I used to sell them in a store I used to have). - It's a shame that you had to endure so much BS to get the one you currently use.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:50:27 EDT

Davesnothere posted :
And, on the OT of this thread (see first page), I have also confirmed that either proposed method of stopping the thumbnails from appearing in a new tab is valid, as I have successfully tried each on individual machines.

However, the about:config edit does not seem to allow you to toggle the function on and off afterwards as it seems to remove the icon in the top right of the webpage window for doing so, not that this would matter to me.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:37:37 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by FF4m3 :

said by Davesnothere:

I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it.

As stated before, it is the default and they did announce it.

As I posted yesturday, I have just installed FF 13.0.1 onto 3 machines, at least 2 of them as an upgrade from the FF 3.6 series, and all of them defaulted to having the 'Don't Load Tabs Until Selected' option greyed out, and did not let me access that option until I first set FF to 'Show My Windows & Tabs from Last Time'.

I did not test the default behaviour before adjusting things, and judged that if it was not going save and re-display my tabs from my previous session, that the Do Not Load feature would be moot, therefive I enabled the one so that it would let me enable the other, and then enabled the other.

Anyway, I'm very pleased at the reduced resource usage, and at how soon after launching that I can open a new tab and go to a new website, and still access my previous session's tabs at my leisure. :)

The 'Don't Load Tabs Until Selected' option gets two thumbs up from me !

My only logistical niggle is that they should not make the one function dependent upon the other, as some folks will overlook it, as some stated in this thread.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:39:58 EDT

anon posted :

said by Davesnothere:

I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it.

As stated before, it is the default and they did announce it.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:12:48 EDT

Mele20 posted : I want a 24" Dell Ultra Sharp monitor and those are only widescreen. I would never though get a monitor smaller than 24" in widescreen. Dell still sells 20" 5:4 ratio Ultra Sharps mostly to businesses. They all have non-reflective screens too. A main reason I have never gotten a laptop has been that those are not only widescreen but highly reflective screens...UGH. I don't watch movies on a computer so I care more about vertical space than horizontal and for the same reason I don't want a reflective screen either.

I hope those you have not opened and tried are ok. This one that has been so great (and was sure not a cheap monitor) came DOA along with a new computer back in 2003. (This monitor was rated by PCWorld tests and Consumer Reports as the best LCD monitor of 2003) yet it arrived DOA. Its replacement gave an error on DVI connection and wouldn't get off the black screen with the error but when I used the analog cable it worked ok. I paid extra for DVI so I made Dell send a third one after they could not figure out the problem over the phone. The third one worked fine but had a faulty power connector on the monitor so that if my hand so much as barely brushed near the connector at the bottom of the monitor the power line would just fall off! So, Dell sent a FOURTH monitor and that one was the one DHL lost for TWO WEEKS (it was sent second day air). It traveled all over the mainland and through Canada and ended up in California not Hawaii. I was pretty sure it would be a mess if they ever found it and delivered it. But when it finally got here, it was fine and has been great all these years and with heavy usage too.
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 06:09:44 EDT

Davesnothere posted :
Even on the 1280x1024 screens, I still saw no reason to waste vertical space and need to scroll more often.

I own several such monitors, new and unopened in boxes (not your model though), and plan to NEVER make the transition to the widescreen bullshit which screen manufacturers rammed down the public's collective throats a few years back. [/rant]

(except unfortunately on my notebook PC, if not at home to plug in a standard profile screen)

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 06:01:39 EDT

Mele20 posted : Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood. I still have a 5:4 ratio 19" LCD Dell Ultrasharp monitor (approaching nine years of age and about 28,000 hours of use). So, I have not yet had to adjust to widescreen monitors but will soon. I might then do what you have done. :D I don't like lots of toolbars and only have the Menu bar and Address bar. (My tabs are down the left side of my screen. I use Tabbed Browsing Extensions 3 one of which is Tree Style Tabs).

I think Mozilla did make the New Tab default. I don't know for certain because I have Fx10 ESR that doesn't have the feature.
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 05:43:14 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Mele20:

That's crappy. I don't want the address bar on the Menu line! Why did MoFo move it?

Sivran is correct - I moved it.

But that is secondary to why I even BOTHERED to warm up to a recent version of FF.

I just happen to LIKE the trick/feature/whatever which lets my many tabs NOT load until I click on each, and wish that Moz had made that setting the default, and had bragged more about it.

But back to the layout (ALSO OT for this thread ;) )....

I have shared the menu bar with the address line since IE5, and with today's stupid widescreen displays, I would think that more folks would see the point of prioritizing saving as much as practical of their much diminished vertical space for the actual WEB PAGEs, rather than for menues, buttons, etc.

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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 05:32:48 EDT

sivran posted : They didn't. He did.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 03:54:53 EDT

Mele20 posted : That's crappy. I don't want the address bar on the Menu line! Why did MoFo move it?

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:11:04 EDT

anon posted : hmm? where are the snap shots being stored?

i surf in private mode and don't store/cache any data....

wtf is all this about?

Load TABs NOW or LATER

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:55:14 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by sivran:

Isn't that behavior an option? I recall seeing that option and thinking, "cool, it'll start up quicker and I won't lose all my tabs....

Actually, I just checked. My laptop runs FF 13, and it is a checkbox, "don't load tabs until selected." If I simply uncheck it, all tabs are loaded fully on start up. No tricks, they actually load. Or, no tricks, they don't load until you click them, because you told it not to....

Although this part of the discussion is not the original topic of this thread, it turns out that I'm quite pleased to have stumbled upon it.

Trick or not, engaging this functionality alleviates/eliminates the browser memory consumption catalyzed by Tab-o-Holics such as m'self, and I do not at all mind needing to click on a tab to make it load.

Hey, it's a lot like how bookmarks function, and I'm a Bookmark-o-Holic too. :) :) :)

So far, I have upgraded 2 Vista-SP2 PCs here and 1 XP-SP3 PC each to FF 13.0.1, in order to get and engage this feature, and have figured out how to make the general appearance of the browser close enough (see above post's screenshot) to what I could do with FF 3.6 or with Opera.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:33:27 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Davesnothere:

said by Xioden:

Yup, I agree, I also would have stuck with Firefox 3.6 more likely than not had I not been able to change it back to how it was (see screenshot). I don't have the bookmark toolbar showing (and I didn't disable addons), but other than that, my addons, and a slightly different back/forward button and combined refresh and stop button it looks and feels the same.

This and this are all that is need to get it back the 3.6 look.

I also use Chrome a lot for videos/netflix/etc. It has a pop-out+always on top option for any video which I find handy.

Thanks for posting that.

I'll investigate the add-ons, though I think that I demonstrated to myself with version 12 of FF that I could move things around pretty effectively even from a default install and no add-ons.

However, I have some recent other beefs with FF, such as why there is no more 'SAVE ALL TABs as GROUP' option when you click Bookmarks in the top menu - this happened around ver 4 or 5.

There are other issues, and I'll post as they come to mind....

The above screenshot is of FF 13.0.1 with no addons beyond what Moz included.

Note that the Address & Search lines now share with the Menu bar (None of that on IE since ver 6), and that the LINK bar (Bookmarks bar) content shares with the button bar (and then turn off the original link bar to get the vertical space back.).

Also note that I have put some FOLDERS in the LINK bar and that they pop down showing categorized links if clicked - A VERY powerful function ! (Though not unique to FF)

Further, I moved the 'MORE TABs' dropdown from the right to the left of the TAB bar, using 'Customize'.

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Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:05:46 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by Dude111:

quote:
So tell me, why do people continue to 'update' Firefox?

I dunno bud.... To me the FF 1.5 series is the best! (1.5.0.5 to be exact) looks and runs the best!

I too have several gripes about functionalities which FF developers arbitrarily removed/changed/renamed, as newer editions came down the pipe.

Here's just ONE :

In 1.5 (or was it 2.0 ?), they had an Arrow icon which was to the right of the address line, and you would click on it to [Enter] your typed completed URL.

I relocated it to the right of the button bar so that I could use it as the final step in a copy>new-tab>paste>enter mouse manoeuvre sequence (of a URL from a current tab), IIRC - a function which was the default action in IE for a new window in versions 5 & 6.

FF later tied this button TO the address line so that I could not independently relocate it to use as above. :mad:

I was P.O.'d for some time, but later settled on series 3.6 until recently, when the current thread caught my eye - with its OT digression about loading all of the tabs at once or not. :)

You don't need a large corporation like M$ in order to 'achieve' anarchy in app development.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:55:51 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by LondonOntGuy:

So tell me, why do people continue to 'update' Firefox?

Because they CAN.

( Though I know of a famous question about dogs/cats which yields the same punchline. :D )

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Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:28:42 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by HPC99 :

said by Mele20:

Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.

I have ESR version 10.0.5 and the "Don't load tabs until selected" option is a right where sivran said - under the General tab in Options - listed in the Startup section as a check box option (same place as my Fx 13.0.1 non-ESR version lists it).

I had to look TWO more times just now after reading your post to see it. It is GRAYED OUT and in RED font on a red background so it is difficult to see but I finally saw it. :D

I am not sure why it is grayed out but likely has to do with either how I have Session Manager set up or with my TBE 3 extensions that control tab behavior in Fx along with Session Manager.

All "browser.session" entries in about:config are at default values (so I didn't change something there and then forgot it) so that possibility is not why the option is grayed out.
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Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:23:31 EDT

therube posted : Again, there is choice.
You have it your way, I'll have it mine.

As far as I can tell ...

(SeaMonkey) loads the first window, then loads all the other windows, then (in my case I have it set to load 0 tabs upon Session Restore) it moves sequentially through each window, loading the current tab in each, & dumping back where you last were before quitting. (In what sequence it does if you load all tabs automatically, I'm not sure?)

quote:
you can't tell when all are loaded except by mousing over each tab or watching Task Manager for CPU usage

What are you trying to say? That MS neglected to put a network indicator icon in Vista & Win7 so that you can quickly & easily monitor such things? (I suppose there is always hope for Win8, NOT!)

Network Activity Indicator for Windows 7

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Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:57:19 EDT

anon posted :

said by Mele20:

Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.

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Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:33:16 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by chachazz:

said by sivran:

Not sure when the option appeared. It is under the General tab in Options. My desktop has Firefox 7 and PaleMoon 12 on it. FF 7 lacks the option, but it's present in PaleMoon.

Firefox 8, November 2011.

quote:
Added a preference to load tabs on demand, improving start-up time when windows are restored

Then Mozilla must have removed that option in 9 or 10 because I don't have it in 10 ESR.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

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Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:39:39 EDT

Mele20 posted : Another reason to not allow any cache on any browser. If they load from cache, then you have to restart them anyway so I don't want Opera or Fx, etc loading from cache. That reminds me of those stupid settings that should no longer exist regarding when the browser checks for a new page. Those settings have been in browsers forever and should have been removed as soon as most people got broadband. Even on dialup, I had that setting at "check every time for a new page" so why would, years later, on fast broadband (and mine is just standard RR ...not really fast but fast compared to dialup) would I want tabs restored from cache? Terrible idea. But Opera doesn't load each tab one by one starting on the farthermost left tab. It loads them according to what it thinks are the ones you will use first. I don't like that either. That's a "trick".

Plus, you can't tell when all are loaded except by mousing over each tab or watching Task Manager for CPU usage to fully die down and stay died down. At least on Fx (not Sea Monkey which is like Opera), I can tell when all tabs are loaded because I have an extension that shows a loading bar underneath each thumbnail on the tab (thumbnail on each tab in Fx is also from another extension) that is progressive so you can see when it is loaded. But on Fx, the tabs do not start loading from the top down (I have the tabs vertically on the left side). The start of loading seems random and jumps all over the place when it should be orderly from the top most (or left most) tab. These are all things that need fixing by the browser makers. Instead, they concentrate on non-useful tricks so you think your browser is faster than other browsers which is not the question that should asked. IMO, the question should be which browser most efficiently, transparently and in an orderly manner, loads all tabs when started?
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:57:56 EDT

therube posted : > Where is that GUI setting?

I posted a link (the second) in this post, »Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:37:39 EDT

anon posted :

said by Bobby_Peru:

Thanks!

You're welcome.

I found these options by merely searching about:config for "restore" (as in 'restore tabs'). It was a simple and logical thing to do. :-)

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:55:35 EDT

chachazz posted :

said by sivran:

Not sure when the option appeared. It is under the General tab in Options. My desktop has Firefox 7 and PaleMoon 12 on it. FF 7 lacks the option, but it's present in PaleMoon.

Firefox 8, November 2011.

quote:
Added a preference to load tabs on demand, improving start-up time when windows are restored

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:28:43 EDT

rcdailey posted : I "think" it's a default setting in Firefox 13, but I am not using Firefox at the moment because I am not on my personal computer. I am trying to remember if it's in the General options or in one of the other panels in Options. However, you do not have to dig deep to find it. If you have an earlier version of Firefox, it probably does not matter.
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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:40:13 EDT

Bobby_Peru posted : Thanks sivran for your response. Please see my above response. It does make sense to be able to control this just as you mention. Thanks again!

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:37:50 EDT

Bobby_Peru posted : Thanks! I don't know if this was in Fx. 11's GUI out-of-the-box, but Session Manager does have a selection for this, and ticking it does change browser.sessionstore.restore_hidden_tabs value to true.

Not sure if these intermittent blank pages are related to this, as most tabs do load, and I will have to see what happens on Restarts v. Session Loads.

Either way, thanks again.

Aha, the joy of highly configurable applications, with highly configurable after market modifications..... :)

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:15:54 EDT

sivran posted : Not sure when the option appeared. It is under the General tab in Options. My desktop has Firefox 7 and PaleMoon 12 on it. FF 7 lacks the option, but it's present in PaleMoon.

So, if it's not in your FF 11, it must have been added in 12.

I rather like it, especially on my laptop which I take to places which may have a portal on their wifi. If FF tried to load all the tabs, I'd end up with a half dozen tabs sitting on the portal page.
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:57:10 EDT

anon posted : For those who want all tabs to load at start:

do about:config

search - browser.sessionstore.restore

if desired toggle browser.sessionstore.restore_hidden_tabs value to true and/or browser.sessionstore.restore_pinned_tabs_on_demand value to true.

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:18:26 EDT

Bobby_Peru posted :

said by rcdailey:

Come to think of it and checking my options, I have Firefox set to "don't load tabs until selected," the same as you do...

Where is that GUI setting? I haven't found it in Fx, TMP, or Session Manager. I guess it's post Fx 11.0, or ?

I have noticed, that starting some uncertain time in the past month or four, but definitely post upgrading from 3.x, upon Restarts and/or Session Loads, some tabs will be blank, with only the url listed in the GoTo field, which must be clicked to load the tab. Double-clicking the tab to actually load it, results in a blank tab once again.

It's really annoying, and a huge waist of time when running with so many tabs, and extensions to keep updated.

I wasn't sure what to first suspect, but thought at some point I would start with extensions, like TMP, Session Manager, and TBE, and even NS and Secure Sanitize

Is this what you all are referring to as tabs not loaded until selected?

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:44:40 EDT

rcdailey posted : Come to think of it and checking my options, I have Firefox set to "don't load tabs until selected," the same as you do. That, combined with clearing history on exit and the use of BetterPrivacy pretty much prevents anything from being reloaded when the browser is opened again.
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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:41:08 EDT

rcdailey posted : I have Firefox set to clear my browsing history when I exit, so tabs aren't reloaded (except when there is a live update and I choose to let Firefox restart). All I get when I start Firefox is my home page. I have the BetterPrivacy extension installed, which also helps to get rid of unwanted cookies.
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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:19:40 EDT

sivran posted : Isn't that behavior an option? I recall seeing that option and thinking, "cool, it'll start up quicker and I won't lose all my tabs to the login screen at Panera" when configuring FF on my laptop.

Actually, I just checked. My laptop runs FF 13, and it is a checkbox, "don't load tabs until selected." If I simply uncheck it, all tabs are loaded fully on start up. No tricks, they actually load. Or, no tricks, they don't load until you click them, because you told it not to.

Opera 12 meanwhile appears to behave the same as before. No tricks there either, but also no option to leave tabs unloaded until clicked, which makes sense, since Opera's method is to pull from the cache on startup if it can.
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:05:51 EDT

therube posted : There is zero point in having tabs restored on starting Fx or SM unless they are actually all restored when you start the browser - for you.

But not for me.

And there is a choice in the matter.

Now FF went with one default.
And SeaMonkey went with the other default.

But either can change to the other.

That's called choice & that is fine by me.

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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:40:34 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by Dude111:

What FF is doing is bizarre! (If i understand it right.. The tab is opened but no page is there when you goto said tab (SO WHY BOTHER??))

Is this correct Mele?

The tab loads but NOT until you click on it. So, you have to wait for it to load. Only one tab actually loads when you start Fx and it loads your tabs from your last session. The other tabs don't load until you click on each of them. I'd rather wait when I start Fx and have it load all tabs right then when I start it even if that means I can't actually use Fx for awhile until all the tabs load. To me, it is a trick because the tabs look like they are all loaded but they are not loaded (except for one) until you click on them. On Opera, it tries to guess which tabs you will use first and it loads those when you start it....that doesn't make sense either because how can it guess correctly which tabs you will use first?
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:25:13 EDT

Sentinel posted : I am guessing that this is not a problem for me because of my browsing behavior. If I go to a secure site, such as online banking, then I go just to that site alone. After I am done I close the browser and clear it. Then I reopen and do regular browsing.

I'm guessing that by doing that this issue doesn't matter; right?

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:16:05 EDT

Dude111 posted : The whole thing is stupid!

WHY OPEN A TAB WITH ONE OF YOUR PAGES IF THE PAGE ISNT LOADED??

I have MyIE2 and I can save a group of pages so next time all i gotta do is click GROUPS and then the filename i saved..... ALL PAGES OPEN!! (All tabs are loaded)

What FF is doing is bizarre! (If i understand it right.. The tab is opened but no page is there when you goto said tab (SO WHY BOTHER??))

Is this correct Mele?

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:19:42 EDT

Bobby_Peru posted :

said by Mele20 :

.... It seems to me that this concern among browser makers about this fast start for browsers may be a legitimate concern for laptop users but not most desktop users. ...

MoFo does seem to have become obsessed with this. The driving importance of giving Buffy and "instant on" (FaceBook) fix is even mentioned in one of the Blog posts about silent updates,. maybe in one of these below...

»www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/133/
»lawrencemandel.com/2012/02/03/im···erience/

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:49:59 EDT

Floriana posted : I have not updated my firefox.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:38:04 EDT

sivran posted : Define "fully loaded" and this "trick" you speak of because, for my part, the loading behavior appears the same between 11.x and 12, aside from being faster in 12.
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Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:24:04 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by sivran:

I just closed and re-started Opera (automatically restores previous session) while reading this thread. Browser was usable within two seconds under Opera 12.

But then I don't have a hundred tabs like you do. I get annoyed when I have more than a dozen or so open and start wanting to use em or lose em.

It's not usually "100". Currently, I have 35 on Opera. I am not concerned about the speed of browser starting. I don't often shut a browser down so speed of starting doesn't matter for me. Same with Windows. Buying a computer with a small SSD for fast booting is not something I care that much about because I rarely boot/reboot. I have a desktop that runs 24/7 where the hard disks are never turned off and the browsers are not closed, my virtual machines run 24/7 on the host and I don't shut them down either. In fact, why would I be shutting down my host or even rebooting when that means I have to first shut down the virtual machine(s)? UGH. It seems to me that this concern among browser makers about this fast start for browsers may be a legitimate concern for laptop users but not most desktop users.

Besides, on Fx, I have used TBE since Mozilla Suite days (where I first used the extension on Mozilla Suite) and it is on the list of Fx extensions that are known to slow Fx down...whatever that means. I use Fx because of it so I guess I really could care less about how fast a browser starts. I want my TBE! I am not a typical user that is for sure...but Fx was originally designed for folks like me and it has sure gotten away from its roots in its obsessive fear of Chrome.

I will be happy to have a new computer with 16GB RAM (or more if I can wait a few more months) so I don't have to shut anything down due to RAM limitations. Currently, because I cannot add more RAM to this computer, I have to shut down Fx and SM when they start using too much RAM (Opera is ok though).
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:04:39 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by therube:

quote:
This new feature of tricking the user into thinking their tabs are fully loaded is just that... a trick. I want all tabs fully loaded before I use the browser. I don't mind waiting for them to load.

It is no trick.
Getting snappy – performance optimizations in Firefox 13

If you don't like how it works now, change it so it works how it used to. (It looks like browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs in SeaMonkey & browser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand[?] in FF.)

It is a trick because the tabs APPEAR to be loaded but they are not. That is called a "trick". There is zero point in having tabs restored on starting Fx or SM unless they are actually all restored when you start the browser. Otherwise, you should just go back to IE 6 type browsing. No point in tabs and certainly no point in restoring tabs. You might as well tell the browsers to not manage your sessions.

I have used Session Manager ever since development on it started ...many years ago. I use it on both Fx and SM. I don't see this crazy behavior in either browser. I have Fx 10 ESR and Fx 4.01 on my host machine. I still think it is far superior to Fx 10 and Fx 1.5 is the finest of Fx. After that it has been all downhill. I have SM 2.10.1 and I don't see this on it. I see the behavior on Opera 12 though.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:30:53 EDT

Bobby_Peru posted :

said by CylonRed:

said by sivran:

But then I don't have a hundred tabs like you do. I get annoyed when I have more than a dozen or so open and start wanting to use em or lose em.

I can't imagine 100 tabs at once - I think I would find it impossible to know which one I need to go to.

It would be, at least for me, without some help. At a minimum: Tab Mix Plus »tmp.garyr.net/ - Tab browsing with an added boost. and Tree Style Tab »piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en .

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:31:19 EDT

CylonRed posted :

said by sivran:

But then I don't have a hundred tabs like you do. I get annoyed when I have more than a dozen or so open and start wanting to use em or lose em.

I can't imagine 100 tabs at once - I think I would find it impossible to know which one I need to go to.
--
Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:24:53 EDT

Davesnothere posted :

said by therube:

said by Davesnothere:

Show us tests of 50+ pages at a time - simultaneously, even.

Right.

And if I had an efficient way to port my current 522 tabs in 47 windows to Chrome/IE, I'd give you those numbers!

I was being polite when I said 50.

Sometimes I have over 100 tabs open.

So you are doing that 522/47 in FireFox 13 ?

TAB-O-HOLICS R US ! :D

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:08:17 EDT

sivran posted : I just closed and re-started Opera (automatically restores previous session) while reading this thread. Browser was usable within two seconds under Opera 12.

But then I don't have a hundred tabs like you do. I get annoyed when I have more than a dozen or so open and start wanting to use em or lose em.
--
Think Outside the Fox.

Re: Firefox 'New Tab' Feature Exposes Users' Secured Info

Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:08:37 EDT

anon posted : I certainly don't after version 3.6 all you see is + signs in your face driving you to the brink of insanity with no way to get rid of them. I have constantly emailed the firefox people pointing this obvious fact out to them.

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