 JCohenPremium
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| TPIA Providers for Ottawa Of these 3, Distributel/Acanac, TekSavvy and Start, what are the pros/cons of each?
I'm served by the Fallowfield POI and am currently with TekSavvy and have no POI congestion only node congestion with my Docsis2 modem.
I have active internet service until the end of June and due to an issue with transferring the account I'll be needing to pay all the start up fees again so I'm looking at all providers, the issue was not on TekSavvy's end so their is nothing that can be done. |
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| if it's node congestion changing cable isp will not solve the issues as you will stiill be served by the Fallowfield POI regardless of who you use. |
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 mlernerPremium
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Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | Yup, node congestion cannot be avoided whichever provider you use however your congestion is most likely caused by the DOCSIS 2 modem, if you buy a D3 modem your speeds should improve quite noticeably. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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3 edits | said by mlerner:....if you buy a D3 modem your speeds should improve quite noticeably.
+1 !
They did for ME, and I am on a 16/1 account with START, previously Cogeco D3 modem at the same service location.
(Start had a shortage of D3 modems for Cogeco-Land at first, so temp shipped D2s to get us going, then shipped D3s when they got some, and I noticed the diff for that.)
It's a good hedge anyway, as the D2 modem issue will get worse with the faster account you try to have.
It may even help a with 'hood congestion, depending upon how many folks are on which data channels in your 'hood.
Consider that some 'hood congestion is from too many other folks using D2 modems in your 'hood, and it will make sense.
IMNSHO, a D2 is not worth buying for the up-front cost saving.
And just TRY to sell it later when you grow tired of it, and by then the word will be out about them. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | reply to JCohen
However the question was which TPIA IISP, rather than modem, and I suggest START if you are in Cogeco-Land (which you are not).
Still, by using the aggregated POI approach both for Cogeo and for Rogers, START seems to be able to be more on top of growth patterns than the company whose name was tough to pronounce for a fellow who used to be a regular here - It's been a while - I forget his name at the moment, but I remember that he rides a bike, drinks Red Bull, and writes a lot of letters to the CRTC.
And sometimes he eats Breakfast. 
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We have only 2 things about which to worry :
(1) That things may never get back to normal
(2) That they already HAVE !
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| said by Davesnothere:START seems to be able to be more on top of growth patterns than the company whose name was tough to pronounce for a fellow Not having to order incremental physical ports/links on a per-POI basis (but still having to order capacity on a per-POI basis with Rogers) makes things much simpler for the cablecos since it allows them to lump all traffic on the same 10GbEs and routers they use for everything else. |
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JCohenPremium
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| reply to lmbeta8
I have no issue with the node congestion as I know what the cause of it is and I know that changing ISPs will not fix my node congestion.
I'm only looking for information on which ISP will give me the best value for my dollar.
As much as I hate it, I'd possibly consider a 1 year contract with Acanac to get the discount. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | said by JCohen:....As much as I hate it, I'd possibly consider a 1 year contract with Acanac to get the discount.
And what if you decide (later than 30 days money-back period) that you are unhappy with them ?
OY !
The only other significant advertised potential negative to Acanac-branded service (but not Distributel) is that they say that they MAY throttle all traffic for part or all of a specified peak period, ONLY IF and for as long as NECESSARY each day, UP TO a reduction of HALF of their advertised speed.
However they have NO MONTHLY USAGE CAPs, last I checked.
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We have only 2 things about which to worry :
(1) That things may never get back to normal
(2) That they already HAVE !
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Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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1 edit | reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:Not having to order incremental physical ports/links on a per-POI basis (but still having to order capacity on a per-POI basis with Rogers) [doing it aggregated] makes things much simpler for the cablecos since it allows them to lump all traffic on the same 10GbEs and routers they use for everything else.
Absolutely, and it seems to be working well for START subscribers in my part of Cogeco-Land.
Cogeco bumped up the bandwidth of their AGG link once already and the effect was seamless and ON SCHEDULE.  |
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mlernerPremium
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Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | But I suspect START doesn't yet have the subscriber base anywhere close to their ordered capacity. It will be a real test when they saturate their aggregated pipe and see how long Rogers takes to upgrade it. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | said by mlerner:But I suspect START doesn't yet have the subscriber base anywhere close to their ordered capacity. It will be a real test when they saturate their aggregated pipe and see how long Rogers takes to upgrade it.
I added more to the post to which you replied.
Yer quite right in that we do not know how well that the same request category will go for them in Mister Rogers' 'Hood.
We all know all too well what an 'Exercise in Dentistry' it sometimes has been for that unnamed IISP to get Rogers to do their individual POI upgrades on any sort of predictable schedule. |
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JCohenPremium
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| reply to Davesnothere
said by Davesnothere:said by JCohen:....As much as I hate it, I'd possibly consider a 1 year contract with Acanac to get the discount.
And what if you decide (later than 30 days money-back period) that you are unhappy with them ? Exactly why I was saying that I'd hate it, it's just a possibility that I'd look into.
said by Davesnothere:The only other significant advertised potential negative to Acanac-branded service (but not Distributel) is that they say that they MAY throttle all traffic for part or all of a specified peak period, ONLY IF and for as long as NECESSARY each day, UP TO a reduction of HALF of their advertised speed.
I'm still curious as to how they can even throttle a cable subscriber when they have no control over the profile that is sent to the modem or the CMTS. |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | said by JCohen:said by Davesnothere:said by JCohen:....As much as I hate it, I'd possibly consider a 1 year contract with Acanac to get the discount.
And what if you decide (later than 30 days money-back period) that you are unhappy with them ? Exactly why I was saying that I'd hate it, it's just a possibility that I'd look into. said by Davesnothere:The only other significant advertised potential negative to Acanac-branded service (but not Distributel) is that they say that they MAY throttle all traffic for part or all of a specified peak period, ONLY IF and for as long as NECESSARY each day, UP TO a reduction of HALF of their advertised speed.
I'm still curious as to how they can even throttle a cable subscriber when they have no control over the profile that is sent to the modem or the CMTS. They can't. That's for DSL only. |
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JCohenPremium
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| said by mlerner:They can't. That's for DSL only.
That's what I figured but they have it advertised on their website, »www.acanac.ca/cable.html "Peak Hour Rate Limit - 7PM to 12AM". |
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 roccaStart.caPremium
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London, ON
kudos:11 | reply to mlerner
said by mlerner:But I suspect START doesn't yet have the subscriber base anywhere close to their ordered capacity. It will be a real test when they saturate their aggregated pipe and see how long Rogers takes to upgrade it.
Having a 10 Gbps physical connection gives us a pretty good lead time. With the new model the cost of the physical CNI is dwarfed by the capacity cost so there is little reason to not upgrade the physical link 'early'. Rest assured the upgrade will be there well ahead of the demand. |
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said by JCohen:I'm still curious as to how they can even throttle a cable subscriber when they have no control over the profile that is sent to the modem or the CMTS. Do cablecos change the sync/profile speeds when they throttle? No, when Bell and Rogers were throttling P2P, you could still get much higher download speeds from HTTP, FTP, DCC, etc. When they were throttling, they rate-limited P2P, unknown and P2P-like traffic on a per-login or per-IP basis. No need to have access to modem profiles for that, be it DSL or DOCSIS.
With cable, there is the added difficulty of determining who owns which IP. This can be worked around of by throttling everyone to the same speed by default and then requiring that people log into their customer portal to associate their current IP with their account so the ISP can set the proper throttling parameters for that IP. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | reply to JCohen
said by JCohen:said by mlerner:They can't. That's for DSL only.
That's what I figured but they have it advertised on their website, » www.acanac.ca/cable.html "Peak Hour Rate Limit - 7PM to 12AM".
That was one of my sources.
They have also stated so in this very forum. |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:....With cable, there is the added difficulty of determining who owns which IP.
This can be worked around of by throttling everyone to the same speed by default....
I believe that this is how Acanac is doing it, if/when necessary.
Data-agnostic, but tied to the max paid speed your account has.
Still, they need to be able to determine what account type and tier you have, as they say that they do not throttle to your actual sync profile in the case of DSL.
Can they not just track the modem MAC in the case of Cable ? |
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JCohenPremium
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| said by Davesnothere:Can they not just track the modem MAC in the case of Cable ?
No, because the DHCP is Rogers equipment so TPIA providers do not have any access to it.
What InvalidError suggested here, »Re: TPIA Providers for Ottawa, would probably work depending on how the connection is setup.
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Either way this post is digressing fast from my original questions, which provider is the value for my dollar? |
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DavesnothereNo-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages
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kudos:6 | said by JCohen:....Either way this post is digressing fast from my original questions, which provider is the value for my dollar?
Which I also pointed out earlier, before digressing yet again.
OK then - let's answer a question with a question :
How many monthly GB do you normally use (and how many would you anticipate using if it would not break your budget) ?
Two Q's, actually....
How FAST do you want/need to go ? |
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