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lordpuffer
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Re: Cisco Connect Cloud

said by Mele20:

What Cisco has done is to violently '(emphasis added)' violate their users privacy with their cloud crap.

I don't know about others, but Cisco wasn't 'violent' with me. No physical force was used. This thread has good people debating the issue, with some posters assuring others that the world will not end if they are updated to Cisco Cloud Connect.....At least for most people. There is no need to call them 'ignorant.'

I suggest that, based on your post, you should look for one of the many other brands of Routers to purchase, where you will feel safe.

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There's been an update to the Cisco blog. You tell from it that Cisco is rapidly retreating because of the anger from their very badly abused customers.

For your information, ALL router vendors intended to do what Cisco has done but Cisco got there first. Now I think the other vendors will rethink what do as far as the cloud and invading user's privacy with the intent to sell their information.

I don't object to users ignorantly deciding to allow themselves to be sold to highest bidder...heck that is what all the sheeple on Facebook have willingly chosen, what I object to very strenuously is a vendor trying to FORCE this on its users.

You believe that only physical acts can be "violent"? And users who believe that everyone should live in a glass house are not only "ignorant" but dangerous to the continuation of this nation as without privacy we no longer have liberty and freedom. In my mind, there is NO debate about this. You MUST be against Cisco forcing the cloud on its users. Cisco is retreating because of the storm of protest.

»blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answ···cloud-2/

Here's an excellent article about what Cisco was trying to pull...and it is VIOLENT.

»www.extremetech.com/computing/13···retion/2
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said by Mele20:

I'm stunned at the ignorance shown in this thread.

It's a damn shame. At least Cisco has shown their true colors before I bought one of these. My BEFSR41 has been fine all these years (will be nine years old in November) but I will have nothing to do with a company that forces the cloud on router users.

Sorry, but if anything, it is you showing ignorance in this thread.

Although I heartily agree that Cisco doing this through an auto-update was a poorly thought out move, Cisco has not forced the cloud on router users, and auto update for router firmware is hardly "new". Don't like it? Then install the "classic" firmware and be done with it. Much ado about very, very little.

Again however, unless one is truly ignorant, Cisco promoted these routers from their inception to be planned for cloud usage. It clearly was on the web site, as being touted toward this end.

When I bought my EA4500, I was fully aware of Cisco's intentions towards this line of routers, though I confess not the exact implementaion. I for one, have still not made up my mind if I will continue with the cloud based firmware or revert to the "standard" firmware...but either way, it simply is not the horrific calamity that others here make it out to be.
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Well it would seem the internet spoke and Cisco was forced to listen:

»arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/···setting/

CCC will no longer be the default setting, from my perspective this is exactly how it should have been from the get go.

Better yet they should have merely added another page of options and allowed you to optionally create a new CCC login that would then allow you to remotely access.

The end user remains in full control, Cisco can still provide cloud access and remote management and you the customer gets to choose.



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quote:
UPDATE:
Cisco has told us that going forward the automatic update process will accomodate people who prefer the local, browser-based management console over the cloud service. That's good news, as customers who don't want to use Connect Cloud won't have to choose between their current management setup and firmware updates that could be important.

"If a customer chooses to use the Embedded Web UI and selects the Auto-Update feature, Cisco will offer them an update," Cisco said. "Currently the only update we have is for the Cisco Connect Cloud feature set, but in future, we plan to provide updates for the embedded Web UI feature set specifically. The core message is that a customer can/will be able to choose an embedded web UI and Update without having to use CCC.”
»arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/···setting/


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said by danclan:

Well it would seem the internet spoke and Cisco was forced to listen:

»arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/···setting/

CCC will no longer be the default setting, from my perspective this is exactly how it should have been from the get go.

Better yet they should have merely added another page of options and allowed you to optionally create a new CCC login that would then allow you to remotely access.

The end user remains in full control, Cisco can still provide cloud access and remote management and you the customer gets to choose.

That I have zero argument with...and yes, they could have avoided much if not all of the hard feelings by setting it up this way in the first place.

I am still using the cloud-based firmware, as I have no serious concerns (so far) with the implementation, but I heartily agree, that this was the approach Cisco should have led off with.

Maybe I am just not as quick as some to suspect a dishonest design behind Cisco's cloud implementation, but of course it would have made much better sense to offer the cloud-based firmware, rather than an auto-update. But, that strikes me more as a lack of fore-thought rather than evil intent.

Then again, keep in mind that I am on Comcast, and they flash firmware to your modem whether you own it or they do...so this doesn't seem as extreme to me as it otherwise might have...

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Well I came across this today »Cisco Backpedals a Little on Cloud Firmware which says that the new firmware is now optional?



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said by Mike Wolf:

Well I came across this today »Cisco Backpedals a Little on Cloud Firmware which says that the new firmware is now optional?

Correct. There was enough pressure on Cisco, and they made it optional.
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but still doesnt tell us if Cisco is going to continue to update the firmware for the classic interface. Here is a thread I came across. »linksys.lithium.com/t5/Wireless-···p/538014



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Cisco removes cloud sign ups from default router settings

quote:
w w w . n e o w i n . n e t

Cisco removes cloud sign ups from default router settings

...Cisco Connect Cloud is an optional service that brings additional features to a home network. It is not required to set-up and manage Cisco Linksys EA Series routers. In response to our customers’ concerns, we have simplified the process for opting-out of the Cisco Connect Cloud service and have changed the default setting back to traditional router set-up and management.

...


Read more @ »www.neowin.net/news/cisco-remove···settings
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i downgraded back down to the classic firmware interface then upgraded back to the cloud and found no way of turning the whole thing off and still have the classic interface. what sucks is that alot of fixes were added to the new firmware such as updated wireless drivers. doesnt look at a way to keep the new updates to the router but lose the cloud interface part.



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said by newview:

quote:
UPDATE:
Cisco has told us that going forward the automatic update process will accomodate people who prefer the local, browser-based management console over the cloud service. That's good news, as customers who don't want to use Connect Cloud won't have to choose between their current management setup and firmware updates that could be important.

"If a customer chooses to use the Embedded Web UI and selects the Auto-Update feature, Cisco will offer them an update," Cisco said. "Currently the only update we have is for the Cisco Connect Cloud feature set, but in future, we plan to provide updates for the embedded Web UI feature set specifically. The core message is that a customer can/will be able to choose an embedded web UI and Update without having to use CCC.”
»arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/···setting/

Doesn't this address the situation?
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No because "going forward" could mean this would start with the EA6500 (and any router released after it) and not with any of the current routers already on shelves and in homes such as the 2011 E series E4200v1, E3200, E2500, E1500, E1200, and E900 and the 2012 EA series E4500, E4200v2, EA3500, and EA2700.

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Re: Cisco Connect Cloud

For the anonymous poster, please read before trying to post here again: »Site FAQ »What are the Rules on Posting?
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Re: Cisco Cloud Storage

I do wonder what Cisco has up its sleeve now.



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said by Mike Wolf:

I do wonder what Cisco has up its sleeve now.

Care to elaborate?


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Well now that the whole cloud mess was cleared up, the questions still remain of "where do they go now?" Are they going to continue with the cloud service? Are they going to start updating the firmware with the classic interface? What about their new router coming out next month, the EA6500? Will that too have the cloud interface or are they going to also provide a classic interface? Plus the questions I asked last post "... because "going forward" could mean this would start with the EA6500 (and any router released after it) and not with any of the current routers already on shelves and in homes such as the 2011 E series E4200v1, E3200, E2500, E1500, E1200, and E900 and the 2012 EA series E4500, E4200v2, EA3500, and EA2700. "



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Understood. Thanks.



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Suggested Listening...

Security Now #360: »twit.tv/show/security-now/360 time: 0:16:16 thru 0:26:16

EDIT: Perhaps this is a better link:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPFgZa0pgQ#t=16m15s


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said by Bill_MI:

Security Now #360: »twit.tv/show/security-now/360 time: 0:16:16 thru 0:26:16

EDIT: Perhaps this is a better link:
(youtube clip)

Yep...from a pair of opinionated, but inaccurate clowns. Y-a-w-n...nuthin' to see here (or more accurately, nothing to learn here). Several of the assertions were flat out incorrect from the get-go (such as the ridiculous claim that the routers "phone-in" to Cisco...geez, auto updates have been around for software and hardware for how long now?)

Let's see now...since the firmware was installed:

I have had unusual offers to buy...er...ah...nothing...

I have been hacked by...uh...oh...no one. Hmmm...

"Big Brother Cisco" has demanded that I...well...gee...they ain't said nothing to me at all. Go figure?

Oh, I get it! Maybe it is like a scene from the old Terminator movie "Rise of the Machines" yeah? At the stroke of some pre-determined hour, all this horrible crap will be wrought upon us by our routers! Whee! Get me my tin-foil hat, boys!

Besides which, if they ever did do these things, I would not even worry about "downgrading" the firmware, hell, I'd throw it out and never use another Cisco product. Yeah sure, Cisco wanted to piss their customers off...uh huh, right. Did Cisco goof in their running this as an auto-update? Yup...not the end of the civilized world as we know it...
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That's ridiculous ! Just because nothing has happened yet doesn't mean it can't or won't in the future.

said by PeteC2:

said by Bill_MI:

Security Now #360: »twit.tv/show/security-now/360 time: 0:16:16 thru 0:26:16

EDIT: Perhaps this is a better link:
(youtube clip)

Yep...from a pair of opinionated, but inaccurate clowns. Y-a-w-n...nuthin' to see here (or more accurately, nothing to learn here). Several of the assertions were flat out incorrect from the get-go (such as the ridiculous claim that the routers "phone-in" to Cisco...geez, auto updates have been around for software and hardware for how long now?)

Let's see now...since the firmware was installed:

I have had unusual offers to buy...er...ah...nothing...

I have been hacked by...uh...oh...no one. Hmmm...

"Big Brother Cisco" has demanded that I...well...gee...they ain't said nothing to me at all. Go figure?

Oh, I get it! Maybe it is like a scene from the old Terminator movie "Rise of the Machines" yeah? At the stroke of some pre-determined hour, all this horrible crap will be wrought upon us by our routers! Whee! Get me my tin-foil hat, boys!

Besides which, if they ever did do these things, I would not even worry about "downgrading" the firmware, hell, I'd throw it out and never use another Cisco product. Yeah sure, Cisco wanted to piss their customers off...uh huh, right. Did Cisco goof in their running this as an auto-update? Yup...not the end of the civilized world as we know it...



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said by Bill_MI:

Security Now #360: »twit.tv/show/security-now/360 time: 0:16:16 thru 0:26:16

EDIT: Perhaps this is a better link:

My suggestion is to STOP using CISCO products. CISCO cannot be trusted period.

Bill_MI See Profile thanks for posting this very informative video.
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said by IlKevinlI:

That's ridiculous ! Just because nothing has happened yet doesn't mean it can't or won't in the future.

Not even vaguely so...

I guess you missed the part where I said if these terrible, dire things ever do happen...why I'll simply toss it out and buy another brand, eh? What I consider ridiculous is to jump to all kinds of unfounded conclusions.

We can agree to disagree, but I see very little risk here. When would I be proven right or wrong? 6 months with none of these terrible things happening? How about a year? I will gladly wager that a year from now, the horrific Cisco Cloud will have done me no harm. (And if it does, anyone here has my heart-felt permission to tell me "I told 'ya so!")

Until or unless that happens however, my opinion is every bit as valid as yours...and if nothing bad happens...more so.
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Well, I will say this.... I will be in charge of my router.
I will set firmware
I will set switches
No one will have access to my router -- but Me.
I will not set up a router by a 'program'
and I will give Remote Access to my router to No-One

Looks like I will re-cap the router when necessary, and continue on....

I don't like the approach of what they were talking about.

I don't care if it's all hypothetical blustering and chest beating...

The fact that something like this would happen means I would not have 100% control over my own router...

I may be self taught....I may read the manual and call the factory and or post multiple threads with implementation questions, or to learn new features. I may make mistakes (and I have)... but when I get done configuring a router... I have confidence that I've done as good a job as I could....

My main concern with this is... Ok... I'm finished... I've done the best that I can.... Why would I want hardware to be changed behind my back, and with me having just learned what the features are... changing settings behind my back would not be at all comfortable for me.... Is the settings changed something I'm not familiar with?

Sharing history and files sounds like big brother crap to me... Whereas I've nothing to be concerned about, I do beta test work for a company, and I'm certain they wouldn't want these links being shared....

Yeah... A lot of chest pounding... but good points were made....

Thank goodness for ESR meters!!! I'll keep my RVS4000 until it's dead and un-responsive at this point!!!
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The handwritting is on the wall, what is now called the "cloud" is the future, like it or not. No more local storage or applications either...



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said by Jan Janowski:

Well, I will say this.... I will be in charge of my router.
I will set firmware
I will set switches
No one will have access to my router -- but Me.
I will not set up a router by a 'program'
and I will give Remote Access to my router to No-One

Well, I hear you...except you already have no firmware control of your modem!

I see that you are a Comcast customer, yes? As such, even if you own your own modem the firmware is strictly controlled by Comcast. If you ever used one of their wireless gateways, you'd have no say over router functionality either.

I am not trying to offend anybody here...just trying to deflate some of the hyperbole that is in the air.

P.S. With the cloud firmware I set my router up as I wished, no different than I did through the router's web page.
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My router is downstream from theirs... And my wireless connection is downstream of that...
So if it makes it through Comcast... I have control downstream of that.

said by PeteC2:

said by Jan Janowski:

Well, I will say this.... I will be in charge of my router.
I will set firmware
I will set switches
No one will have access to my router -- but Me.
I will not set up a router by a 'program'
and I will give Remote Access to my router to No-One

Well, I hear you...except you already have no firmware control of your modem!

I see that you are a Comcast customer, yes? As such, even if you own your own modem the firmware is strictly controlled by Comcast. If you ever used one of their wireless gateways, you'd have no say over router functionality either.

I am not trying to offend anybody here...just trying to deflate some of the hyperbole that is in the air.

P.S. With the cloud firmware I set my router up as I wished, no different than I did through the router's web page.


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