| [TIVO] Here comes the copy protection bit (letter) Received a letter today that CableCards must be paired with their receivers (Tivo, etc) in order to receive channels from some providers in the future. Going into effect July 31.
Sounds like the copy protection bit that prevents transfer from one Tivo to another or TivoToGo, etc. is on its way. |
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Grover8
join:2012-01-06
Fresh Meadows, NY | Would you kindly take a pic of that letter for us to read. Thanks. |
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 nycdavePremium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:10
 ·Verizon FiOS
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 wmcbrine213 251 145 96
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
kudos:1 | reply to cheezmo
Well that sucks.
Fortunately the TiVos now have streaming, that circumvents the restriction, but only between Series 4's. |
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 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | reply to cheezmo
I would have been pissed a few years ago when i used to archive alot more content from my TiVos. But now I only have three boxes (2 Elites and 1 regular Premiere) so I use streaming mostly and now very rarely transfer to TiVo Desktop or between boxes. When the streaming box is released in a few months I will be getting that too which will mean even more streaming.
My only issue now is that over the years I've moved my cable cards dozens of times on FiOS. At one time I had eight cable cards but now I'm down to three(and soon two). I know none of them are paired to the boxes they are used with. And the last time i tried to pair the cards i couldn't. Since the system was only setup to pair a new card that was sent to a user. If I would have thought about it I would have had the FiOS tech pair the cards when he was out last weekend replacing my ONT and BBU.
EDIT: I guess with the letter they sent they must have changed the system so now it won't be an issue to pair my cards.
Plus it sounds like only the Premium channels will be affected. So if I still downgrade TV to the Extreme tier(and upgrade internet to 75/35) it won't be likely to have have any effect on me anyway. |
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brutus
join:2003-12-16
Tampa, FL | reply to cheezmo
No letter here, but I will probably do like AaronWT and drop premiums if and when this happens.
I still archive and transfer since my one room has a TiVo HD with lifetime, but if the channels are going copy once it will be easier to just drop the channels that do and wait for Netflix copies.
EDIT: Looks like at least one of my TiVos aren't paired so I plan to wait and see what happens. |
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Ditto |
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Would be great to have a list of channels this affects.
But it sounds like at least HBO is getting removed from my subscription. |
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 ThinkdiffPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
kudos:6 | reply to cheezmo
Sucks that they're starting to do this, but understandable. I'm sure HBO didn't like their content getting thrown all around.
But for the people that are saying they'll drop their premium services.. why? Is the only reason you subscribe to them to transfer the content back to your computer?
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University of Southern California - Fight On! |
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The sad thing about this is that this will do absolutely zilch to stop piracy. The only thing this will do is annoy legitimate HBO subscribers who liked having flexibility in their recorded content. HBO is trying to plug a single hole in a piece of swiss cheese.
The Internet piracy scene has various methods to bypass this copy protection so it won't affect them at all. |
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aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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I used the info on the posted PDF letter to pair my three cable cards tonight. At one point I had eight cable cards and over the last five years with FiOS I have moved my cards dozens of times between TiVos. The automated phone pairing process was quick and painless. In five minutes I had my three cards paired and my TiVos could all view channel 131.
In the 5.5 years I've been using cable cards, this was the quickest and least painful way I have ever had my cards paired. Between Comcast and FIOS it took either having a tech come out or being on a lengthy phone call to get the cards paired in the past.
This was a welcome surprise. |
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brutus
join:2003-12-16
Tampa, FL | reply to Thinkdiff
said by Thinkdiff:But for the people that are saying they'll drop their premium services.. why? Is the only reason you subscribe to them to transfer the content back to your computer?
I only get Epix and Showtime since they are included in Ultimate, but if they go copy once I will drop my package down a notch.
I vote with my wallet. I don't support the copy once flag so I wouldn't choose to subscribe to a channel that uses it. What is the difference between recording a show in every room and recording one copy and then transferring it to every room?
In one of my rooms I only have a TiVo HD so I can't stream it from another room. Transferring to that room is the only option. Transferring to a computer is also something we use to create our own in home VOD service especially since we can't access VOD on our TiVos. Once we watch it, it gets deleted, but there is a good chance we won't get to it before it gets deleted for space on the TiVos. Usually by then it is also no longer in the guide to record again.
Also we use it to watch/listen the shows at work and when we travel. Streaming doesn't work since the Verizon coverage is barely 3G at the office, Pandora can't even stream smoothly, so we transfer to the PC and convert it to something that is easy to throw on the phone or tablet to take with us. |
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You're free to vote with your wallet of course, just don't expect it to have ANY effect.
Annual revenue for cable card users in 3rd party devices probably amount to less than the rounding error in the quarterly financials for one of these networks. They simply aren't going to lose sleep over losing you as a subscriber. |
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| said by bull3964 :You're free to vote with your wallet of course, just don't expect it to have ANY effect. Oh, it absolutely will. At the very least my bill will go down.
said by bull3964 :Annual revenue for cable card users in 3rd party devices probably amount to less than the rounding error in the quarterly financials for one of these networks. They simply aren't going to lose sleep over losing you as a subscriber. I really won't lose sleep over losing the channels either. If this is just HBO we're talking about they've only got A Game of Thrones which is interesting. Everything else they play are old worn out cheap movies.
And to respond to another poster - why would I unsubscribe? At least two reasons. 1) I can no longer transcode to another device and 2) the principle of it.
Simply, it's no longer a product that's worth the money to me. |
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brutus
join:2003-12-16
Tampa, FL | reply to bull3964
said by bull3964 :You're free to vote with your wallet of course, just don't expect it to have ANY effect.
Annual revenue for cable card users in 3rd party devices probably amount to less than the rounding error in the quarterly financials for one of these networks. They simply aren't going to lose sleep over losing you as a subscriber.
I don't expect it to change anything on Verizon's end or the channel's end. Like nothing00 said though my bill will go down and give me more money to spend on other forms of entertainment.
It isn't really my goal though either since it won't make the movie channels run movies in their original aspect ratio. Since they don't run movies in their OAR, we don't use the movie channels to watch movies and instead only watch original content. We have gone from subscribing to all the movie channels to only getting the ones included in our bundle. |
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | reply to cheezmo
Anyone kow how this will effect me as I use a SiliconDust HomerunHD card reader in conjuction with WMC and XBoxes?
If it is likely interfere with my viewing etc I will have to evaluate the worth of staying with FIOS.
Also this seems at odds with the recently announced "smart glass" functionality from Microsoft. |
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| said by IanR:Anyone kow how this will effect me as I use a SiliconDust HomerunHD card reader in conjuction with WMC and XBoxes?
If it is likely interfere with my viewing etc I will have to evaluate the worth of staying with FIOS.
Also this seems at odds with the recently announced "smart glass" functionality from Microsoft.
It's about moving the individual files around. Not streaming from one box to another. I two have windows media center boxes (three cablecards total) and though I won't be able to watch one boxes recorded TV on the other box IF THE COPY PROTECTION BIT IS ACTIVE (and from what I have heard from other cable subscribers it isn't often) you can still use whatever extenders like Xbox you use to stream. Myself I could care since I just bittorrent or usenet anything I want to be portable. |
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| Hrmm does this affect copying from one local hard drive to another hard drive on the same machine? I am in process of getting robocopy setup properly so I can move files from small internal to big external. |
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| said by Onedollar:Hrmm does this affect copying from one local hard drive to another hard drive on the same machine? I am in process of getting robocopy setup properly so I can move files from small internal to big external.
No. |
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| reply to sonofsmog
The copy bit will do a few things:
1. WMC - When they implement copy bit, you will NOT be able to watch a W7MC share from a PC anymore for channels with that bit, nor from WMC to WMC. The only allowed method will be an extender (xbox) tied to a SPECIFIC WMC instance.
2. Shows you could watch on apps on the PC or tablet will no longer work unless Verizon issues a DRM'd version of the app, and we all know how sucky Verizon software is.
3. Cablecards will be enforced for pairing. You will not be able to swap CC around, and if you do you will need to reactivate them--otherwise channels w/ copy bit will not be viewable.
In general DRM sucks and it just makes viewing the content you paid for more difficult. |
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