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HenryFarpolo
Premium
join:2003-08-31
Andover, MA
reply to icemannyr1

Re: [TIVO] Here comes the copy protection bit (letter)

HBO is not protected here yet.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to icemannyr1

said by icemannyr1:

HBO on VHO7 is CCI 0x002.
Non premium channels that are 0x00 have not changed.

It's the same here, in VHO4, for Cinemax.

Although everything is still fine here for Epix, Showtime, TMC, and Starz which was expected. I don't have HBO though but if Cinemax is restricted then HBO will be too.


09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY
reply to cheezmo

Can someone explain to me why you would announce on a public forum (which I'm sure Verizon has assigned a "social media" employee to keep an eye on) that your VHO doesn't yet have the copy once flag on HBO?

Do you want Verizon to encrypt your HBO?



icemannyr1

join:2001-04-11
Township Of Washington, NJ

I doubt Verizon is going to forget to turn the copy protection on.

Even with the setting still at 0X00 the HBO and Cinemax channels can not be recorded via FireWire to a computer so the change to 0X02 does not make a big difference.



nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:16
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to 09129800

Hmm, let's see - Verizon sent out a letter stating certain premium channels will have copy protection enabled after a specific date. 'Certain' providers want Verizon to start enforcing the CCI flag to help protect content. Verizon isn't doing anything outside what their carriage agreement states. And Verizon isn't 'encrypting' anything - they are just enforcing the CCI flag that the provider sends.



09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

1 edit

said by nycdave:

Hmm, let's see - Verizon sent out a letter stating certain premium channels will have copy protection enabled after a specific date. 'Certain' providers want Verizon to start enforcing the CCI flag to help protect content.

Which is exactly my point - when you're in a VHO where you got lucky that someone at Verizon forgot to flip the CCI switch then it's a dumb idea to announce that information.

Keep it secret! Keep it safe!


UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY

said by 09129800:

Which is exactly my point - when you're in a VHO where you got lucky that someone at Verizon forgot to flip the CCI switch then it's a dumb idea to announce that information.

There's no "getting lucky" about it. You can bet HBO has people all over the country checking to make sure VZ has added the CCI flag as mandated.
Expand your moderator at work


Kingscup

join:2006-03-01
reply to 09129800

Re: [TIVO] Here comes the copy protection bit (letter)

said by 09129800:

Which is exactly my point - when you're in a VHO where you got lucky that someone at Verizon forgot to flip the CCI switch then it's a dumb idea to announce

Verizon has always done things with their in VHO's in phases like adding new channels. It can take a week or two to add a channel to each VHO. This is no different. Verizon isn't just going to forget to "flip a switch."

DGGSLF

join:2007-04-14
Lynn, MA

Well, as I suspected would happen, my CableCARD equipped TVs can no longer tune to any of the HBO or Cinemax channels. This is after spending several hours on the phone with Verizon in early July when I received my letter. Three calls and replacement cards have still not resolved my issues.

I guess it's time for another call to tech support but I'm not too optimistc they'll be able to resolve it, as I'm not sure my older TVs support Simulcrypt, which I guess is in use in MA due to the mixed Motorola/Cisco boxes in this VHO.


Grover8

join:2012-01-06
Fresh Meadows, NY
reply to cheezmo

I can confirm that HBO and Cinemax are now being flagged. I had to get my two cetons reactivated to watch it again. The recorded file will not play on another pc nor be edited or exported.

Good luck everyone. Verizon is now like the rest.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

said by Grover8:

I can confirm that HBO and Cinemax are now being flagged. I had to get my two cetons reactivated to watch it again. The recorded file will not play on another pc nor be edited or exported.

Good luck everyone. Verizon is now like the rest.

Well not exactly like the rest. Only HBO and Cinemax are flagged. The other Premium channels can still be transferred without issue. With some of the other cable companies those are flagged as well.

cheezmo

join:2001-11-19
Plano, TX

Time to unsubscribe from HBO and Cinemax.



09129800

join:2012-06-27
New York, NY

said by cheezmo:

Time to unsubscribe from HBO and Cinemax.

If HBO's plan with this was to encourage piracy of their content then they've certainly succeeded.

I won't be renewing my HBO or Cinemax either. Pirated copies of HBO shows don't have any DRM.

I don't see why I should be expected to pay money for such heavily locked down copies of content.


birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:9

said by 09129800:

said by cheezmo:

Time to unsubscribe from HBO and Cinemax.

I won't be renewing my HBO or Cinemax either. Pirated copies of HBO shows don't have any DRM.

Don't wait for renewal, vote with your wallet NOW! There's no penalty of ETF for canceling a premium subscription. You could get HBO for a day by subscribing today and canceling tomorrow.

Unless, of course, you're on a free 3 month trial.


celticpride

@verizon.net

Not sure how this effects me yet ,but just curious doe the directv MRV dvr let them stream their preminmun channels to other dvrs in the house? I guess i should ask this question at DBSTALK.



Thinkdiff
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-07
Bronx, NY
kudos:11

Streaming is allowed, which is why the TiVo Premier can also stream CCI flagged content to other TiVos.

Transferring (if a local copy is stored on the receiving device) is not allowed.
--
University of Southern California - Fight On!


cheezmo

join:2001-11-19
Plano, TX

I have Tivo HD's which transfer rather than stream. So I can't record on one and watch on the other.

said by Thinkdiff:

Streaming is allowed, which is why the TiVo Premier can also stream CCI flagged content to other TiVos.

Transferring (if a local copy is stored on the receiving device) is not allowed.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

said by cheezmo:

I have Tivo HD's which transfer rather than stream. So I can't record on one and watch on the other.

said by Thinkdiff:

Streaming is allowed, which is why the TiVo Premier can also stream CCI flagged content to other TiVos.

Transferring (if a local copy is stored on the receiving device) is not allowed.

Correct. You need to use TiVo Premieres to stream

DGGSLF

join:2007-04-14
Lynn, MA
reply to DGGSLF

So I had another troubleshooting session with tech support on Sunday night when they called the house to see if my problem receiveing HBO and Cinemax was resolved. After a half hour, the young lady agreed to send a technician out with M Cards, since she thought the S Card could be the problem. Give this lady a raise!!

Anyway, a tech showed up yesterday and didn't know why he was there. He had no cards on the truck, so I knew this was a waste of time. He calls the depot and after his lead guy told him that CableCARDS were no longer supported, I knew it was time to see what my next move should be. He left my house and half hour later, I received a text saying my ticket was closed, though nothing was done. Some service!

This morning I went to the Verizon store and swapped the S Card from my Sony TV for an M Card. I called the activition line and after talking to a live person for 15 minutes, I now have my HBO and Cinemax channels back on the Sony. BTW, I tried the M Card on the Sharp TV and it would not even recognize that a card was plugged in, so it looks like only an S Card will work for that TV which is eight years old.

This tells me that lack of support for simulcrypt may not be the issue after all. The fact that an M Card works for the Sony TV which is seven years old, tells me that Verizon needs to figure out how to provision the other TV using S Card.

Why would the M Card work on the Sony TV but not the original S Card that had to be swapped out?

I now need to open another ticket to focus on just the Sharp which can only support an S Card.



Zero

join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA

said by DGGSLF:

Why would the M Card work on the Sony TV but not the original S Card that had to be swapped out?

My best guess would be that it has to do with the firmware version that is loaded onto the CableCARD itself. A newer firmware version on the M-Card compared to an older firmware version on the S-Card could possibly be updated to a newer copy protection specification that's required for the decoding of copy protected content on HBO/Cinemax.


nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:16
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to DGGSLF

Verizon can't fix a possible compatibility issue with an 8 year old TV. If the Sharp can't recognize an M-card, you are stuck with an S-card that may not be able to properly activate for the TV - that's why you can't get HBO/Cinemax to work on the Sharp.

Post in the VZ Direct forum for additional support.



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

1 edit

Does Simulcrypt have anything to do with the issue? For older devices they were not going to get an update to support it.


DGGSLF

join:2007-04-14
Lynn, MA
reply to nycdave

Thanks. I just did.


DGGSLF

join:2007-04-14
Lynn, MA
reply to nycdave

Well I posted in the direct forum, per your suggestion but still no response. I do see a lot of activity on the forum but no response yet to my issue, which has all the details and trouble ticket numbers etc.

Guess I'll give it a couple of days and then open another ticket with 800-Verizon if still no takers. :-(


DGGSLF

join:2007-04-14
Lynn, MA
reply to nycdave

Thanks! Adam from the direct forum was very helpful and got it to work. Hopefully you guys do knowledge shares so the other techs can learn from this experience.

Thanks again!!


JohnC47

join:2012-08-24
Northborough, MA

Ditto for me. Adam was able to get my cable cards working on my Tivo HD XL first try. This was after 3 hours of frustration on the phone with a CSR.

Thanks Adam!