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Re: [TIVO] Here comes the copy protection bit (letter) said by knarf829:said by Thinkdiff:Even with Series3 TiVos, there are ways to make this a non-issue. I've got a Series3 TiVo. Link? +1 |
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said by Thinkdiff:said by joe01880:I dont record anything of importance this time of year anyway and my 7232 sucks but will do the job if need be.
The FiOS DVRs will have the same copy restrictions as the TiVo. You can still record HBO content on a TiVo. You can still stream it to other TiVos. You just can't copy it. Unless you have Series3 TiVos (doesn't support streaming) or archive your shows to your computer, this won't even effect you. Even with Series3 TiVos, there are ways to make this a non-issue. I have Tivo HD w/lifetime and a Premiere, i am also aware of options to make this a non issue which i am considering for my S3THD. I may just sell it to cover some of the cost of new unit. If this doesn't effect HDNET or Palladia it wont matter to me anyway but I'm sure its going to. |
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Red Bank NJ | reply to JPL
said by JPL:We can also look to what other providers have done as a clue. DirecTV just recently implemented the same thing on a handful of their premium channels (including HBO). My guess - they're doing this due to contractural obligation. HBO wants it, and has made it part of the deal. That's the senes I'm getting. Sort of like ABC pushing them to disasble FFWD on their VOD feeds.
U hit the nail on the head 100%....FIOS is just following its contractual obligations.. |
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bohratomJersey Shore will rise again
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Red Bank NJ | reply to dosdoxies
said by dosdoxies: I don't have any premium channels anyway.
That made me chuckle as this entire thread is about CCI protection for premium channels.....  |
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join:2004-12-15
Wallingford, PA | said by bohratom:said by dosdoxies: I don't have any premium channels anyway.
That made me chuckle as this entire thread is about CCI protection for premium channels..... But if I didn't do it, I might not get the premium channels when they have the free preview weekends. Only reason i did it. |
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said by bohratom:U hit the nail on the head 100%....FIOS is just following its contractual obligations..
So the fact that FIOS can now rent more STB's at $16.99+ is just a bonus for them? This change sucks for those who use older cable-card Tivo's or run non-windows HTPC's. Most will now have to cancel the premium channels (my choice) or pay monthly for more FIOS equipment. |
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1 edit | said by wizziwig :This change sucks for those who use older cable-card Tivo's or run non-windows HTPC's. Most will now have to cancel the premium channels (my choice) or pay monthly for more FIOS equipment.
I agree with your outrage as I also have it. Only point I was trying to make is the networks are responsible for the CCI change. |
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kudos:6 | reply to wizziwig
FiOS DVRs have the same restrictions, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. You have plenty of choices if you want to view recorded premium channels on other TVs (TiVo Series4 and WMC Extenders, to name two)
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Township Of Washington, NJ | All the Turner cable channels already are set to Copy Once so it's not surprising they are doing the same to the TimeWarer HBO and Cinemax channels. |
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kudos:1 | said by icemannyr1:All the Turner cable channels already are set to Copy Once Uh, no they aren't.
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Woodbridge, VA
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said by wizziwig :said by bohratom:U hit the nail on the head 100%....FIOS is just following its contractual obligations..
So the fact that FIOS can now rent more STB's at $16.99+ is just a bonus for them? This change sucks for those who use older cable-card Tivo's or run non-windows HTPC's. Most will now have to cancel the premium channels (my choice) or pay monthly for more FIOS equipment. WHy? If you have a TiVo you just pair the cable cards. WIth the newer TiVos that came out in 2010 you can stream between them even those copy protected shows. You just can't transfer them. And the FiOS DVRs give you less features. So this happening certainly should not make anyone get a FIOS DVR. There is no reason to get a FiOS DVR because of this. |
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said by Thinkdiff:FiOS DVRs have the same restrictions, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. You have plenty of choices if you want to view recorded premium channels on other TVs (TiVo Series4 and WMC Extenders, to name two)
Streaming to extenders = keep content in the home. I'm sure the mobile streaming stuff will end up cut off because of this. People always say, what's wrong with this country. I say, innovation seizing activity like this is clue number 1. All of this would be naught if the gov would keep data out of the hands of video providers. They are killing potential revenues just because of their need to control what's coming down the pipe, even after it has already arrived at its destination. |
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kudos:6 | Slingbox (or the other alternatives) will still work.
HBO's concern is that you can now make exact, 1:1 digital copies of their content. On FiOS, the signal (presumably) isn't even recompressed. I tend to agree with them in protecting their content. Unfortunately, the only thing setting the CCI byte does is annoy a few normal users. The pirates will always find a way around it.
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Re: [TIVO] Here comes the copy protection bit (letter) HBO appears to be grossly overestimating just how much pirates care about quality.
99% of pirates will grab the shitty 720p scene re-encode with a bitrate of 3 Mbps over the full 12 Mbps 1080i MPEG-2 transport stream.
Why they will grab these terrible quality x264 versions is a combination of bandwidth caps, impatience, and ignorance.
But the point is, HBO is not going to convince any pirate to start ponying up the cash for cable and their channel just because they can no longer grab the 1080i MPEG-2 transport stream. Very few pirates are grabbing that version anyway. This will not stop the scene's 720p x264 versions of every HBO show getting released promptly, as I have no doubt that the scene has probably cracked CableCARD tuners in private to trick the tuner into thinking the signals it is receiving has the copy flag set to copy freely. Either that or they'll just do a x264 re-encode from component or HDMI capture, it really doesn't matter. A way around will be found.
So HBO is just annoying their legitimate subscribers who use CableCARD products with this move. |
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So here is my update:
Tech support sent me two S-Cards to replace the two I've had for 4 years+. The good news is that they both activated quite easily via the activation web page. The bad news is that I still cannot view the content of channel 131 on either TV.
I'm not having a good feeling about this but I guess I'll have to call back in to tech support to see if they can make these TVs pair with the replacement cards. The TVs are from 2004 and 2005 respectively, so fairly old for technology. |
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dosdoxiesPremium
join:2004-12-15
Wallingford, PA | said by DGGSLF:So here is my update:
Tech support sent me two S-Cards to replace the two I've had for 4 years+.
I didn't think Verizon had any S cards anymore. |
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knordrw
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Bethel Park, PA | reply to DGGSLF
It's possible the TVs don't support Simulcrypt, which would be in use in your VHO, as it is a dual Motorola/Cisco area. Although in the past when I've seen something like that, no channels at all come in above 50 on a device that doesn't support Simulcrypt. I am assuming you are getting the pairing screen on ch 131, right? |
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Yes. Looks like these are used or refurbished cards. The way they were packaged, you could tell they were not new. |
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icemannyr1
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Township Of Washington, NJ | reply to wmcbrine
said by wmcbrine:said by icemannyr1:All the Turner cable channels already are set to Copy Once Uh, no they aren't. Which Turner HD channel are not?
On VHO7 CNN, TBS and TNT are 0x02 - Copy Once. |
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