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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:57:57 EDT

AVD posted : My wifi is connected to a Sprint pcmcia card on the WAN side.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:15:28 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

yes you do. if you are at home then there is ZERO reason not to use Wi-Fi unless you do not have internet at home.

..and who says I'll be using the tablet all the time at home? I've got my desktop and laptop for that.

Until I can get WiFi access just like I can get 2G (or better) access, it is not an alternative.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:59:35 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by AVD:

Skype on the tablet, google voice on a windows device with a usb dongle.

Well then dump the smartphone and use tablet since it's only $10 per month instead of $40 like a smartphone.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:58:22 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by Simba7:

said by BF69:

it's called Wi-Fi. try it.

Do I really have to repeat myself again about WiFi?

yes you do. if you are at home then there is ZERO reason not to use Wi-Fi unless you do not have internet at home.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:35:46 EDT

AVD posted : Skype on the tablet, google voice on a windows device with a usb dongle.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:09:49 EDT

mmay149q posted :

said by Nsane_iceman:

If you know that you WILL be updating and download every app, have a cap, it may be best to save it for a WiFi zone...

Yeah I agree, the only problem is that I'm very mobile, and almost NEVER have accessible WiFi around me, I can't connect at work due to the firewall blocking almost everything, my friends I hang out with most of the time don't even have a computer or the internet, and the only place I could do this would be at home... Mighty inconvenient to pay for something I can't use, that's why I'd just buy the WiFi only version and tether from my phone...

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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:08:26 EDT

BosstonesOwn posted :

said by elray:

said by davidhoffman:

A byte is byte no matter if it is on a smartphone or a tablet. Why the big differences in line access? Soon enough voice, messaging, and data will all be LTE. It will not matter if I use my Dick Tracy wrist watch, a 20 inch tablet, a 15 inch laptop, a mobile hotspot, or a modem.

No, it isn't.

A lossy/untimely/retransmittable/compressible byte, at 3 AM on Sunday on a tower in Podunk, has a very different value from a real-time byte delivered at 5 PM on the expressway.

A torrent bit that can wait for days as steerage-class, a mesh-network utility billing packet, a SCADA transmission, surveillance data, multicast audio, PTT, buffered video streams, or toll-free delivery bought in bulk by Netflix, all have different values.

To you, none of this matters, and there is no way the average consumer wants to deal with a dynamic meter element - even if the carriers could prove its accuracy. So they have to come up with very simple, broad strokes, to address the statistical differences in consumption across 200 million customers, that can be understood in the blink of an eye by Mom.

Thus, you get flat-rate fees for uses that predictably consume more of the potential quota of "bytes" that you think you're entitled to consume 100% of.

Ahhh ok, but you do realize they have flags for this right ? flag 5 gets lowest priority as long as it gets there its ok, aka low priority, 3 is web traffic 1 is real time must be there, these provider classify traffic through the tower just like comcast does on their network.
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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:22:29 EDT

davidhoffman posted : Hypothetical scenario:
I have a Android Smartphone, an iPhone, an iPad, an Apple laptop, a Windows netbook with built in cellular card, a hotspot device, and a USB cellular modem connected to a laptop. All are pointing at the same web link to download the exact same video from the content provider. If they all get clicked at the same time, they all will be doing the same thing, downloading a video file. Why are the line access charges for doing the same task going to be different for each of those devices? I will be using the same amount of bytes to get the file.

I get the idea of QOS for different uses like e-mail vs video chat. I just want the ability to add any type of device to my account for the same line access charge. Why does adding a tablet only cost $10 and a basic phone cost $30? Some children with tablets or iPads, sitting in the family luxvan traveling along an interstate highway at 80mph watching streaming videos over LTE, get a lower line access charge than a person with a basic phone who does voice and plain text.

This entire new plan system seems designed as one big confusing money grab. So far I have not found any savings from calculating costs under the new plan. I would end up paying significantly more than I do now.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:04:37 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

it's called Wi-Fi. try it.

Do I really have to repeat myself again about WiFi?

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:37:55 EDT

elray posted :

said by davidhoffman:

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:41:09 EDT

amarryat posted :

said by elefante72:

The differences "theoretically" are device subsidies and subsidizing Apple devices, because Verizon surely pays more for an iphone than say a razr Maxx even though they can be had for the same price or more for the maxx.

Theoretically yes, but if that's the case, then why after your contract is up don't your rates go down? Your bill remains the same whether or not you have a subsidized phone.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:49:54 EDT

itguy05 posted :

said by elefante72:

You know this how? It's funny because the full retail price of the iPhone is in line with other smartphones that contain the same amount of memory. And if the deal wasnt good they would not have signed on the bottom line. But it was as the iPhone is a huge draw.

And after suffering through a Droid X and the mess that is Android I'm glad to have upgraded to an iPhone 4s on Sunday so I could keep my unlimited data. I do miss the bigger screen but the phone is so much better than the Andoid offerings and it actually is a reliable phone.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:07:59 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by mmay149q:

said by Simba7:

said by elefante72:

Because if you prepay, $10 will get you 2GB which is a LOT of data for a tablet. Today a tablet is mostly a casual stationary device, so when you are using it wifi is readily available. So unless they can coerce tablet users to suck up 4G data it's not much of a money maker.

Depends on what you use it for. I can eat 2GB in a week on my phone and probably faster on a tablet.

Yeah I agree, except on a tablet I could eat that 2GB on the 1st day, just downloading apps, and checking out videos online.....

Matt

it's called Wi-Fi. try it.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:07:25 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by davidhoffman:

Can you make phones calls over a tablet or USB dongle? Verizon doesn't plan to even start to offer voice over LTE until next year at the earliest. And even then it will only be optional. Closer to 2016 before the go 100% LTE.

Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Thu, 28 Jun 2012 22:39:25 EDT

Nsane_iceman posted :

said by mmay149q:

said by Simba7:

said by elefante72:

Depends on what you use it for. I can eat 2GB in a week on my phone and probably faster on a tablet.

Yeah I agree, except on a tablet I could eat that 2GB on the 1st day, just downloading apps, and checking out videos online.....

Matt

If you know that you WILL be updating and download every app, have a cap, it may be best to save it for a WiFi zone...
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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:21:38 EDT

mmay149q posted :

said by Simba7:

said by elefante72:

Depends on what you use it for. I can eat 2GB in a week on my phone and probably faster on a tablet.

Yeah I agree, except on a tablet I could eat that 2GB on the 1st day, just downloading apps, and checking out videos online.....

Matt
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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:47:59 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by elefante72:

Depends on what you use it for. I can eat 2GB in a week on my phone and probably faster on a tablet.
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Re: Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:36:45 EDT

elefante72 posted : The differences "theoretically" are device subsidies and subsidizing Apple devices, because Verizon surely pays more for an iphone than say a razr Maxx even though they can be had for the same price or more for the maxx. Just ask sprint and at&t how Apple bent them over too.

If you take the 24 month accrual, that is the cost of a leaseback plus a generous cost of sales and gulfstream fractional shares. Now the only one that is sketchy is the tablet, but that is done to offset the loss in revenue from one-off plans which were $20-$30 and to prevent device creep, the exact reason they are now offering hotspot for free (duh to get those wifi only tabs which are 90% of the market).

Because if you prepay, $10 will get you 2GB which is a LOT of data for a tablet. Today a tablet is mostly a casual stationary device, so when you are using it wifi is readily available. So unless they can coerce tablet users to suck up 4G data it's not much of a money maker.

Also, there is nothing stopping people from using the tablet as a phone/texting replacement. You don't think that companies have 7 inch and 5 inch tablets in the back burner. Today most people think of tablets as 9.x inch ipads....Thanks to the android ecosystem they will come in all flavors. Once they get smaller the line between phone and tablet blur.

Wait until they ship SMS/voice on LTE and then smartphones/tablets are pretty much fungible.

Now by commiserating w/ the cablecos they can kill free wifi and now you are talking. Let the dollars roll in....

Monthly line access fee differences are unjustified.

Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:56:22 EDT

davidhoffman posted : A byte is byte no matter if it is on a smartphone or a tablet. Why the big differences in line access? Soon enough voice, messaging, and data will all be LTE. It will not matter if I use my Dick Tracy wrist watch, a 20 inch tablet, a 15 inch laptop, a mobile hotspot, or a modem.